PGCCCXLII: Healthy

According to an article published in the British Journal of Psychiatry[1], researchers have found a link between poor diet and depression, with those who eat more healthily having a 26% lower risk of future depression than those who don’t. If you want to put that the other way around, this means that if your diet consists mainly of processed foods, you have a 58% higher risk of future depression than those who eat more natural foods.

This follows on from previous research[2] which suggested that a Mediterranean-style diet – high in olive oils, fish, fruit and vegetables and low in high-fat dairy products and meat – appeared to be a determinant in lowering your risk of future depressive episodes. One of the authors of this study – Dr Miguel Martínez-González of the University of Navarro, Spain – previously published a prospective study[3] which suggested that the Mediterranean diet also reduces your risk of developing type 2 diabetes by 83%.

As being gay or bisexual already increases your risk of developing serious mental health problems[4], then there’s some pretty powerful evidence out there that the GLBT community really needs to eat more fruit and veg and far fewer Big Macs, for more reasons than just the effect on our waistlines.

So, let’s be healthy out there, people.

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  1. Akbaraly, TN, et al, Dietary pattern and depressive symptoms in middle age in BJPsych (2009) 195: 408-413 [BJPsych link retrieved on 02.11.09]
  2. Sanchez-Villegas, A et al, Association of the Mediterranean Dietary Pattern With the Incidence of Depression in Arch Gen Psychiatry (2009) 66 (10): 1090-1098 [ArchPsych link retrieved on 02.11.09]
  3. Martínez-González, MA, et al, Adherence to Mediterranean diet and risk of developing diabetes in BMJ (2008) 336: 1348-1351 [BMJ link retrieved on 02.11.09]
  4. Gilman SE et al, Risk of psychiatric disorders among individuals reporting same-sex sexual partners in the National Comorbidity Survey in Am J Public Health (2001) 91(6): 933-9. [NIH link retrieved on 02.11.09]

604 Comments

  1. Posted 2 November 2009 at 3.12pm | Permalink

    Still feeling sicklish.. But I’m going back to work tomorrow.. the place is falling apart..

    so yeah.. no time to be sick.. when everyone else is..

  2. BG
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 3.15pm | Permalink

    Oh, I didn’t know you were sick. Take care of yourself. And of course the place is falling apart without you.

  3. Posted 2 November 2009 at 3.20pm | Permalink

    another thing about food..

    “we” need to start makeing things from scratch.. not buying those halffinished things.. that you just put in the pan for 5 mins and the dinner is done..

    they have a really good TV-show going on in Sweden for the 2 season now about the food in the schools..

    where the point is that all the allergies and all those ilnesses that is takeing over the world ( like Cancer ) is (okay might be) becouse of all the chemicals..

    one chemical might not harm.. but if you mix them up.. they might do..

    so there are chefs who is trying to get the schools/goverment/society in general to see that you can make healthy food, from scratch, for the same money that you buy those half finished meals you get in school.. couse after all the heathing up and cooling down and heating up again progress takes all the energy out of the food.. so there is nothing left in it when the kids eat it..

    the program is kalled Mat Akuten (Food ER)

    it’s a great show!

  4. Posted 2 November 2009 at 3.21pm | Permalink

    yeah my stupid sinuses BG.. but I’m doing better..

    So i should survive.. still got fever though.. which kinda takes my energy away..

  5. Coach
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 3.29pm | Permalink

    Hello, I’ve been asked to drop by and gain some knowledge today.

  6. Posted 2 November 2009 at 3.30pm | Permalink

    *hugs coach*

    I have missed you miss awesome!

  7. BG
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 3.31pm | Permalink

    The fever definitely takes the energy out of you.

    Can you actually go back to work with a fever? I thought you were supposed to wait until you had no fever for 24 hours before going back to work in order to avoid spreading the sickness.

  8. Coach
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 3.33pm | Permalink

    *hugs Mini* Hey Mini. I’ve missed you also.

  9. Posted 2 November 2009 at 3.35pm | Permalink

    yeah it should be like that BG.. but at the moment I don’t have any option.. 2 others are allready sick.. and on our school that is like 20% of the staff..

    I’m only working from 2-5.15 pm though.. so it should be okay..

  10. Posted 2 November 2009 at 3.36pm | Permalink

    okay.. I have to go to dinner..

    Laters!

  11. yeahbutno
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 3.40pm | Permalink

    O_o *slips Big Mac in drawer*

    I doubt my diet can get much healthier, I will have to nip out to the garden tonight to pull up some of what I will be eating.

    Dev, you gone? did you see on the bbc that you are twice as likely to die in a fire if you live in Scotland?

  12. dev0347
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 3.45pm | Permalink

    Is that because you’re twice as likely to come home drunk and try to make chips with hot oil?

    My mother once treated someone who had both legs amputated because he had got home from the pub and his house was too cold, so he put his feet under the grill and promptly passed out.

  13. yeahbutno
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 3.48pm | Permalink

    he did what? what an eejit!

    My first thoughts were chip pan roulette. Alcohol has been identified as one factor…… I bet it has!

  14. tee452
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 3.54pm | Permalink

    Has anyone heard about too much soy in the diet leading to higher risk of depression? I’ve not seen an official article like the one above on it, but have heard that it breaks down the good stuff found in fish and olive oil. And lot of processed foods contain soy. So seems to make sense.

    Just wondering what others have heard.

  15. dev0347
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 3.56pm | Permalink

    Apparently, it is the drink. Not so much that we cause the fire with the drink (although that’s a factor), but that we’re too drunk to react quickly enough to either stop the fire or get out of the house safely.

  16. yeahbutno
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 4.03pm | Permalink

    it’s nuts, Dev. Then again, I don’t think I have ever owned a chip pan never mind trying to cook chips after a night out, I would usually get something on the way back.

    I haven’t Tee but I don’t tend to read all these food theories and stuff.I know there was something about that tofu muck but I didn’t reasdit as I don’t eat tofu.

  17. tee452
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 4.04pm | Permalink

    This is the time of year when we have a lot of house fires too. People try to fry turkeys in deep fryers under some sort of overhang — on the covered patio, in their garages, etc. — and set the whole house on fire.

  18. Chelle5432
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 4.07pm | Permalink

    Hey ladies.

  19. dev0347
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 4.08pm | Permalink

    Soya (soy) depresses thyroid function, so is metabolised very slowly. Part of the reason that high fat, high carb diets are bad for your mental health is that they have a soporific effect, leaving you listless and lethargic. Low thyroid function also leaves you listless and lethargic.

    If you’re having some soya sauce as a part of a stir-fried meal that is basically 90% veg (bamboo shoots, bean sprouts, etc), then you don’t need to worry. The effects of small amounts of soya will be counteracted by the ‘good’ food.

    Processed foods in the UK and US are very, very different, mainly because of legal and transportation issues. We don’t often use soya. You’re more likely to have natural sugars and vinegars in British processed meals.

  20. yeahbutno
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 4.08pm | Permalink

    faulty Xmas tree lights too, Tee. I am paranoid about only having them on when someone is at home.

    hello, Chelle.

    why would you want to deep fry a turkey?

  21. Coach
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 4.11pm | Permalink

    So long story short since my diet suck and depression already runs in my family I’m screwed.

  22. yeahbutno
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 4.11pm | Permalink

    eewwwwwww I hate bamboo shoots, I have to pick every single last one out if they get served in a restaurant and I have forgotten to say.

    I drink soya milk in my cup ot tea, I’m guessing that should be ok, Prof Dev?

  23. dev0347
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 4.12pm | Permalink

    why would you want to deep fry a turkey?

    Because it’s very tasty.

  24. yeahbutno
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 4.13pm | Permalink

    turkey?

    surely a turkey is best roasted?

  25. Chelle5432
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 4.14pm | Permalink

    Agree on the Christmas tree lights Yeebs I’ve heard way to many bad stories.

    What you think of Rachel going last night?

  26. Chelle5432
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 4.15pm | Permalink

    Hi Coach.

  27. yeahbutno
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 4.17pm | Permalink

    I think it should have been Lloyd, every performance he has done was weak.

    But, she was never going to win it so maybe better to go now than get shafted every week. I am amazed at the amount of folk that really didn’t like her (this is based on a straw poll at my hairdresser’s last week).

  28. BG
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 4.17pm | Permalink

    I have family from the south, and it is common to deep fry a turkey after injecting it with cajun spices.

    That tradition is spreading throughout the US, as you can now buy deep turkey friers in many different stores. I prefer a roasted turkey, but a fried one surprisingly tastes good.

  29. yeahbutno
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 4.19pm | Permalink

    ah okey, BG. Is there no breadcrumbs?

  30. dev0347
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 4.21pm | Permalink

    So long story short since my diet suck and depression already runs in my family I’m screwed

    Well, although there are some genes which affect seratonin levels that can be passed on, depression is hardly a merely physiological issue. If it was genetic in the sense that, say, haemophilia is genetic, then we would see perfectly happy and healthy adults being struck down with depression with no external factors. We don’t.

    But the diet part you can fix.

    I drink soya milk in my cup o’ tea, I’m guessing that should be ok, Prof Dev?

    You’ll be absolutely fine.

  31. BG
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 4.21pm | Permalink

    No, the turkey is basically injected in many different areas of the body with a syringe filled with whatever spices you choose. It is then dropped into a deep frier for, I want to say 2 hours (it is hard for me to remember, as I have only seen it a couple of times) depending on the weight of the bird. The outside comes out deep brown and crispy, and the meat is very moist and tender.

  32. Posted 2 November 2009 at 4.24pm | Permalink

    Hello again!

    *sneeks up and hugs Chelle*

  33. yeahbutno
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 4.25pm | Permalink

    thanks Prof Dev.

    *ponders further dietary questions*

    Why would you have a syringe sitting around in the house?

    I have a very weird mental image in my head, right now, regarding deep frying a turkey.

  34. chelle5432
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 4.29pm | Permalink

    Heya Mini *hugs*

    Y’know I almost called someone Mini in work today but stopped myself just in time and thought ‘no, thats not Mini, Mini’s in Sweden’. You feeling a bit better?

    Yeebs, Lloyd should have gone last night, no question. Simon was being clever in letting it go to public vote.

  35. Coach
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 4.30pm | Permalink

    Hi Chelle.

  36. Posted 2 November 2009 at 4.31pm | Permalink

    Hehe Chelle.. So you wander around at work and think of me huh? how sweet of you.. *wink*

    yeah abit better.. I’m forced to work tomorrow.. apperantly.. everyone got sick during the weekend. and the place is now falling apart..

    How are you?

  37. BG
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 4.32pm | Permalink

    The syringe comes with the turkey frier or you can buy it separately. I don’t have it around my house.

    Check out these sites. You can see turkey friers and if you scroll down, you will see different types of injectors or syringes.

    http://tinyurl.com/ygco4ud

    http://tinyurl.com/c8g4h

  38. yeahbutno
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 4.33pm | Permalink

    Lloyd will be out soon enough, Chelle. And I agree at Cowell.

    And more improtantly, did you see Cheryl’s dress on Saturday? Fort brought it up earlier. WTF!

  39. yeahbutno
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 4.34pm | Permalink

    O_o thanks, I will have a look tonight BG, people here might wonder why I am looking at turkey injectors!

  40. Coach
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 4.37pm | Permalink

    INJECT-O-MAGIC” WILL INJECT SOLIDS INTO YOUR MEATS, NOT JUST LIQUIDS!!

    Sorry but I find this statement rather funny.

  41. chelle5432
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 4.37pm | Permalink

    Hey Coach, I spent a few hours yesterday playing PS3, Uncharted is actually quite a good game even I can play it *whispers* though I had it on the easy setting ;)

    Why Mini of course I do ;). That was like us last week loads of people were out. One of our relief staff actually had swine flu. There is lots of people around here getting it now. It’s finally hit us.

    I’m good, today went by really quick as we were busy taking down all the Autumn stuff and getting started on Winter activities.

  42. Coach
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 4.38pm | Permalink

    I play all games on easy if I have the option.

  43. chelle5432
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 4.40pm | Permalink

    Yeah I know Yeebs we were discussing just how awful it was in work today. She really needs a new stylist. D’ya see someone actually rang in on xtra factor and said it to her. I seriously laughed out loud but she took it on the chin so fair play to her.

  44. chelle5432
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 4.42pm | Permalink

    Me too Coach. I mean there is no need to make it even harder for myself. I think the only one I don’t is the Fifa games.

  45. yeahbutno
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 4.43pm | Permalink

    well, as Fort said, he was named in that article so maybe now we know who it is, he may stop taking the piss.

    we don’t watch the X-tra Factor although we have been told that we should. I just forget it is on.

  46. chelle5432
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 4.46pm | Permalink

    Here it is on right after xfactor on the same channel so I usually leave it on and just watch that. I love Holly, though she seems more scripted this year then in past years. The relationship between her an Dermot does be funny.

  47. yeahbutno
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 4.49pm | Permalink

    nah it is on a different channel here, like IV3 or something.

    Who is Holly?

  48. peanut
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 4.50pm | Permalink

    You lot all just need to get sick!
    I lost 4 kg in 4 days!
    Ha!
    Go me!

  49. chelle5432
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 4.54pm | Permalink

    *high 5’s Peanut* At least some good came from it eh!

    Holly Willoughby, Yeebs.

  50. dev0347
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 4.55pm | Permalink

    Someone actually likes Holly Willoughby? *le gasp*

  51. Posted 2 November 2009 at 4.55pm | Permalink

    sorry computer crash..

  52. yeahbutno
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 4.55pm | Permalink

    mmmmnnn you will just stick it back on when you start eating properly again, peanut.

    healthy diet and exrecise. Shame that I am a bit limited on exercise choice at the moment.

  53. tee452
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 4.56pm | Permalink

    Thanks @19, Dev. There is soy in everything here. Everything. It is unnecessary.

    I finally had enough at the beginning of the year and overhauled my diet. I’d dropped 40 pounds by the end of June.

    *high 5’s BG* Have you had a turducken?

  54. peanut
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 4.56pm | Permalink

    Yeah, sort of ^^
    Won’t be permanent, but it’s loosing weight anyway ^^

  55. yeahbutno
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 4.57pm | Permalink

    I don’t really know her but she seems a wee bit wooden.

    I will programme in the Xtra Factor to change over this week and have a butcher’s.

  56. chelle5432
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 5.00pm | Permalink

    Oh my God, yes Dev! I can’t believe you don’t, what’s wrong with Holly?

  57. BG
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 5.01pm | Permalink

    No, I haven’t tried turducken Tee. I have heard of it though. Is it any good?

  58. Coach
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 5.06pm | Permalink

    Gotta do some work stuff later.

  59. chelle5432
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 5.07pm | Permalink

    Mini, how did your Halloween party with the kids go last week or were you out sick?

  60. tee452
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 5.08pm | Permalink

    BG, I am not usually a fan of duck, but I will eat it when it’s stuffed between a chicken and a turkey! Holy southern goodness.

  61. chelle5432
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 5.08pm | Permalink

    See ya Coach :)

  62. dev0347
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 5.08pm | Permalink

    Short version, chelle? Everything. To me, she’s the only person on TV who is of less use than Fearne Cotton. And I despise Fearne Cotton with the fiery passion of 1,000 suns. I don’t despise Willoughby. She’s just… a talentless bundle of nothing to me.

    PS I’m off like a dirty shirt. Tomorrow, people.
    PPS I am full of awesome power. Just thought you’d all want to know.

  63. peanut
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 5.10pm | Permalink

    Oh BG!
    You got me hooked with that fanfic you linked!
    I love it! :D

  64. yeahbutno
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 5.10pm | Permalink

    she is worse than Cotton! holy Christ.

    I would never eat anyhing that is called a turd!

    crispy duck in pancakes is yummy.

  65. chelle5432
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 5.12pm | Permalink

    Ah, I like her, though I get ya on Fearne Cotton she can be extremely irritating at times.

  66. dev0347
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 5.12pm | Permalink

    PPPS Re: peanut’s comment. If she means that penpal one set in 1964, it’s not half bad.
    PPPPS Definitely going this time.

  67. Posted 2 November 2009 at 5.12pm | Permalink

    I was out sick last friday so I’m not sure they even did the party thing..

  68. chelle5432
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 5.13pm | Permalink

    Okay now am really going to have to read that fic. Is it that good?

  69. peanut
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 5.14pm | Permalink

    Yes, I mean that one ^^
    I like the idea behind it and it’s well written. No Dev standard, but still well enough to enjoy reading it ;D

  70. chelle5432
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 5.15pm | Permalink

    Aww, no mini no party? :(

  71. tee452
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 5.15pm | Permalink

    Who is Holly Willoughy? More importantly, who is this Fearne Cotton with a sunburn?

  72. Posted 2 November 2009 at 5.16pm | Permalink

    yeah kinda like that Chelle.. if something is going to happen in that place I have to make sure it happens.. I’m kinda tired of it..

  73. yeahbutno
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 5.18pm | Permalink

    Tee, believe me when I say, your life is better for not knowing who Cotton is.

  74. chelle5432
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 5.20pm | Permalink

    Holly Willoughby and do you really want to know Cotton?

    http://tinyurl.com/yefe9gv

    Well Mini you are the best teacher they have!

  75. Posted 2 November 2009 at 5.22pm | Permalink

    thanks Chelle.. =)

  76. chelle5432
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 5.24pm | Permalink

    Off to eat now, back in a few :)

  77. tee452
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 5.28pm | Permalink

    Chelle, she almost had an aneurism trying to choose between high street and designer clothing. What is her job exactly?

  78. tee452
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 5.31pm | Permalink

    I would never eat anyhing that is called a turd!

    I just saw this and laughed.

  79. yeahbutno
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 5.36pm | Permalink

    *wink*

    Tee, do you know of Sam Taylor-Wood? she just got engaged to some 19 yr old!

    that’s my art gossip for the day, I’m off home.

    laters

  80. tee452
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 5.40pm | Permalink

    YBA’s freak me out!…YBN.

    Don’t they hang out around Whitechapel?

  81. Fort
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 5.41pm | Permalink

    They are taking odds on whether Wayne Rooney’s son will play top level football. Kid was born today.

  82. tee452
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 5.44pm | Permalink

    I remember the Rooney discussion.

    *glances at Chelle*

    Hahaha.

  83. BG
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 5.45pm | Permalink

    You got me hooked with that fanfic you linked!
    I love it!

    Oh good, Peanut! I like it because it is different. I am not sure I have ever seen one coming from this angle. I agree, it is fairly well written.

    Tee – I have tried some foods from the south that I really enjoy. My grandparents came from Tennessee and Mississippi, so I grew up with okra and other foods. I love okra, although I have not had it in a while. My family from Louisiana came up to visit every few years, and we have a big potluck with some regional specialties. Yum!

  84. Fort
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 5.48pm | Permalink

    Oh, I must have missed the discussion already.

    Right, got to run, heading to London for dinner. Catch you all later.

  85. tee452
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 5.48pm | Permalink

    You don’t get okra up there, BG? *tsk*

  86. tee452
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 5.49pm | Permalink

    No, Fort, this was from a long time ago. Didn’t mean to confuse.

  87. BG
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 5.53pm | Permalink

    They sell frozen okra in the stores, but you can’t find it in any restaurants. My grandmother passed away a couple of years ago, and like dummies, we never payed attention to how she cooked it. I could look up a recipe online and try, but I just haven’t.

  88. chelle5432
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 5.54pm | Permalink

    *squints at Tee* He does not look like Darcy! Rooney is horrible looking.

    Hi Fort. Bye Fort.

    I know Tee at Holly but I like her she’s perky and nice and there is already enough serious people on TV. I think it’s nice to see someone that actually seems like their having fun with what they’re doing. Oh, and she’s a TV presenter.

  89. tee452
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 5.54pm | Permalink

    QUESTION for the Electronically/Technologically inclined:

    If I buy a Region 2 DVD, I know it won’t work on my DVD player. But will it work on my lappie?

    Headed to lunch. Back in a while.

  90. BG
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 5.57pm | Permalink

    Hope dinner is fun Fort!

  91. chelle5432
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 6.03pm | Permalink

    Hey BG, how are things going with school? You still being overloaded with work?

  92. BG
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 6.06pm | Permalink

    *hugs* chelle! Well I completed two huge projects last night, so I have a one day reprieve from major school work. Hence, I am online talking today. I will be pretty busy again tomorrow, but for today, all is good and relaxing.

    How about you? Any new concerts or fun stuff happening?

  93. chelle5432
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 6.09pm | Permalink

    Tee I have a friend who bought a Region 1 DVD and it worked on her desktop. But I think with most computers you have to switch the region codes and there is possibility that your computer could get stuck on that region. That’s all I know about it but I could be wrong. Hmm….so really I’m not much help at all.:P

  94. blue
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 6.15pm | Permalink

    Tee

    what DVD player ? Most have codes that will allow you to make it region free. Yes you watch on your lappie with region free software.

  95. chelle5432
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 6.16pm | Permalink

    Well congrats on finishing the two projects. It sounds like an awful lot of work went into them. Enjoy your day of relaxation :)

    I’ve booked tickets to go see Pink again(yeah I know ;)) next summer. Some friends wanted to go after hearing me talking about and wanted me to go with so I said why not? This one is going to be outdoors so it’s going to be a bit different, she’ll probably have to switch some things around to accommodate the outdoor setting.

    I’m also going up to Dublin in a couple of weeks and spending the night and going shopping with my aunt. We do it every year, there is a good crowd of us that go.

  96. chelle5432
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 6.18pm | Permalink

    Heya Blue, did you have a nice birthday?

  97. BG
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 6.19pm | Permalink

    haha – And why wouldn’t you see Pink again?

    We do the shopping thing in San Francisco when I go visit family around the holidays. It is fun to drive in, shop all day, and then goof around before staying the night. Sounds like fun!

  98. blue
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 6.22pm | Permalink

    hey Chelle

    VERY good birthday thank you

    lots of spoiling =)

  99. tee452
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 6.24pm | Permalink

    Thanks Bloooo. It’s a Phillips dvd player from 2 or 3 years ago. Nothing fancy. And happy belated birthday.

  100. chelle5432
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 6.27pm | Permalink

    This is gonna be three times in just over a year. I think I may be getting just a teeny tiny bit obsessed =P

    It is lots of fun BG. We get the train up early in the morning and shop all day, go for a meal and a *cough*few drinks and then get up and do a little bit more shopping before heading home. We usually go for two nights but it’s only the one night this year.

    You going to San Francisco again this year?

  101. chelle5432
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 6.28pm | Permalink

    Haha that’s the way all good birthdays should be, lots of spoiling is needed. Really, it’s in the rule book ;)

  102. BG
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 6.30pm | Permalink

    That sounds a lot like what we do. It is just the girls that go, as the guys would be a huge drag on the whole shopping experience.

    Unfortunately, we can’t make it this year. Just way too much going on. Probably next year though.

  103. chelle5432
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 6.32pm | Permalink

    Yeah the same with us. Girls only. I have a few cousins that go and couple friends of my aunts, who are really nice ladies.

  104. blue
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 6.32pm | Permalink

    for Tee

    http://snipurl.com/t0r73

  105. chelle5432
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 6.34pm | Permalink

    I know you told me before(my memory ain’t the best at the moment :P) but when do you get your break from school for Christmas?

  106. BG
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 6.38pm | Permalink

    Mid December for 3 weeks.

  107. blue
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 6.40pm | Permalink

    thanks Tee

    if you can tell me the model number of your Phillips, can prolly find a region-free code for it.

  108. chelle5432
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 6.44pm | Permalink

    I’d say you can’t wait. It’ll be nice to have a break and relax for a while won’t it?

    We get a week and a half off. I think the 22nd is our last day. We’ve got to start a course the second day back though, so there will be a few late evenings.

  109. tee452
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 6.45pm | Permalink

    Ah, merci blue!

    Chelle, when is the fam going to NYC?

  110. chelle5432
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 6.48pm | Permalink

    I think it’s the weekend after next Tee. They are going for four nights.

  111. BG
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 6.49pm | Permalink

    Chelle, do you work at a school or a day care? The reason I am wondering is does everyone, even parents, get a week off for the holidays in Ireland, or is your week off just because it is a school?

  112. tee452
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 6.49pm | Permalink

    Only part of my comment showed up! *sobs* I will look tonight, blue. Thanks.

  113. Coach
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 6.53pm | Permalink

    Just popping in to wish Blue a belated happy birthday.

  114. chelle5432
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 6.54pm | Permalink

    It’s a daycare BG but also has pre-school services ie. a playschool. We don’t get the School holidays, Christmas is the only time we are off the same time as them. Most people here tend to have that time off apart from the obvious ones that have to work at that time of year.

  115. BG
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 6.58pm | Permalink

    Okay, that is different than here. Most people here get Christmas day and New Years day off as a holiday, but generally the only way you get the entire week is if you take vacation. Of course, in most cases that is by priority, so only a few actually get the week off. Some companies close down for a week or two at Christmas, but that is more rare. Hence, our daycares usually remain open.

  116. chelle5432
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 7.07pm | Permalink

    Yeah, Christmas day, St. Stephens day and New Years day are the official bank holidays here but a lot, not them all, but a lot of our companies would close down for about a week. The rest of them would be the same as yours, people would get those days on a first come first serve basis.

  117. blue
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 7.13pm | Permalink

    *high 5’s Coach*

  118. BG
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 7.14pm | Permalink

    We should sooo close down for the week.

  119. chelle5432
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 7.17pm | Permalink

    Haha yeah it is nice when most of the family are off at the same time. Especially at that time of year. How about your husband, does he have much time off then?

  120. tee452
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 7.18pm | Permalink

    What is St Stephens Day about, Chelle?

  121. BG
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 7.21pm | Permalink

    No, he usually just has the holidays off, which is still nice, as I know many people who have to work even those days.

  122. Coach
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 7.27pm | Permalink

    *raises hand* I have to work holidays.

  123. chelle5432
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 7.28pm | Permalink

    He was a deacon Tee. This explains it better than I can.

    http://tinyurl.com/yhwmeqk

    Yeah my sister is a nurse and she’s not sure whether she has to work Christmas day this year or not. I don’t think I would be able to work Christmas day, it’d just feel wrong.

  124. chelle5432
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 7.30pm | Permalink

    Aww poor you Coach. You don’t have to work Christmas day do ya?

  125. BG
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 7.31pm | Permalink

    Yeah, see that just sucks Coach. I understand hospital staff having to work, as people cannot schedule when they will have an emergency, but I think far too many companies are staying open when people really could just wait an additional day for those services.

  126. Coach
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 7.35pm | Permalink

    No I shouldn’t have to work Christmas. But I might volunteer to work it if I can get a early shift.

  127. chelle5432
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 7.37pm | Permalink

    Ooh did you decide on your new shifts yet Coach.

  128. Coach
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 7.38pm | Permalink

    Well so many people complained about them that they changed them so for me the revised shifts were worse. More then likely I will end up working M-F 8-5

  129. chelle5432
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 7.41pm | Permalink

    Ah no. What was the one you originally got? At least you get the weekend off though.

  130. tee452
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 7.42pm | Permalink

    Chelle, do you “do” anything special on SSD? Or is it just a holiday? *whispers* Preacher’s kid knows who Stephen was. *winks* *points at the Acts of the Apostles*

  131. chelle5432
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 7.42pm | Permalink

    Do you girls not get the day after Christmas day off as a holiday?

  132. Coach
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 7.42pm | Permalink

    Sunday-Thursday 8-5 is what I would of had.

  133. BG
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 7.46pm | Permalink

    The day after Christmas is a work day for most unless it falls on a weekend.

  134. Coach
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 7.51pm | Permalink

    By the way Hi BG *waves*

  135. chelle5432
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 7.53pm | Permalink

    Haha of course you did Tee. I wasn’t even thinking.

    Well it is also known as the day of the wren here and some people dress up and go around to houses singing songs (one song in particular) and dancing.

  136. Coach
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 7.54pm | Permalink

    Please help me I have Sweet Caroline stuck in my head.

  137. tee452
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 7.56pm | Permalink

    one song in particular

    Care to sing it for us?

    Coach needs another song to sing.

  138. BG
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 7.58pm | Permalink

    Hi Coach. :)

    Damn it Coach, now I need a different song too.

  139. chelle5432
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 7.58pm | Permalink

    Haha you really do not want to hear me sing. Trust me on that. And thanks Coach, it’s now stuck in my head too =D

  140. Coach
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 8.01pm | Permalink

    Well Chelle, my mommy always told me it was polite to share.

    Oh BG I have a voting question for you if you are still around.

  141. chelle5432
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 8.03pm | Permalink

    This is it. I’ve only ever dressed up and done it once as a kid.

    http://tinyurl.com/ydur8ky

    Yeah I know nutcases!

  142. chelle5432
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 8.04pm | Permalink

    Well Coach there are just some things you shouldn’t share =P

  143. BG
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 8.04pm | Permalink

    Yep, I am still here Coach. What is the question?

  144. Coach
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 8.08pm | Permalink

    Since I’m a little slow can you explain REF71 to me?

  145. BG
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 8.12pm | Permalink

    My understanding is that it would give state-registered same-sex and domestic partners the same right as married couples, with the exception that they would not be able to marry.

  146. Coach
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 8.15pm | Permalink

    Okay thank you.

  147. yeahbutno
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 8.17pm | Permalink

    BG that turkey frying and tools are kind of scary *blinks*

    Tee, she isn’t all that “Y”ba! She is part of the Primrose Hill set that all shag each other. Her ex hubby owns/owned the White Cube in Whitechapel. He isn’t much better he was doing Lily Allen, he is good mates with her arse of a father, just after him and Taylor-Wood seperated.

  148. Coach
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 8.19pm | Permalink

    http://tinyurl.com/yd9w9nd Just for you Chelle =)

  149. tee452
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 8.22pm | Permalink

    Indeed, she isn’t. But OK, I see, Primrose Hill. I thought the YBA’s were the ones who hung out in Whitechapel and all the hoity-toities think they’re to die for. I guess that was some other group. Or maybe both places.

    Don’t know anything about the ex or the current. Or really her for that matter. We just had a collection shown here full of YBA stuff. Only reason I know her name at all.

  150. chelle5432
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 8.22pm | Permalink

    I don’t believe it. I knew what it was going to be and I still clicked on it! *squints* at Coach

  151. BG
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 8.24pm | Permalink

    that turkey frying and tools are kind of scary *blinks*

    Yeah, I don’t think you want to piss off the cook while the tools are around!

  152. Coach
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 8.25pm | Permalink

    =) I just had to do it. If it helps it made me smile to see your reaction.

  153. BG
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 8.27pm | Permalink

    YBN. The scene for cooking a turkey looks like this…

    A bunch of guys out in either the garage or perhaps on the driveway, sitting around in lawn chairs, having beers, and talking about general stuff and how gooood that turkey is going to be when done.

  154. chelle5432
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 8.31pm | Permalink

    Well I’m glad at that Coach even if I do have to try and get another song in there before I go nuts =D.

    I have a friend who is a huge Neil Diamond lover. I seriously have to grin and bear it when she’s going around singing his songs.

  155. Coach
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 8.32pm | Permalink

    BG you forgot the beers and sometimes the TV with the extension cord for the Dallas or Detroit game.

  156. BG
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 8.34pm | Permalink

    Aaah, you are right about the the TV and extension cord. I did remember the beers though. That is a huge part of the cooking process. It is especially helpful to be inebriated when taking a turkey out of boiling oil. It makes for some very colorful language.

  157. missmaclay
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 8.35pm | Permalink

    Aloha

  158. chelle5432
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 8.36pm | Permalink

    Hi MM.

  159. Coach
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 8.36pm | Permalink

    Aloha

  160. yeahbutno
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 8.39pm | Permalink

    she has moved over to film now, Tee. Just directed one in the LFF. The Primrose Hill lot are a mix of musicians, supermodels, actresses and arty types.

    ex is Jay Jopling. Were together ages, it was a shock that they split.

    So not done up in surgery gear like that weird Cronenburg film with Jeremy Irons as twins, BG, they were gynecologists and had some wtf tools!

  161. missmaclay
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 8.40pm | Permalink

    *waves* Ca va?

  162. yeahbutno
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 8.42pm | Permalink

    Oui, ca va bien, MM. Tu?

    hahahaha BG, that is like the chip pan roulette in Glasgow that me and Dev were talking about earlier!

  163. Coach
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 8.43pm | Permalink

    Sorry I missed that BG.

  164. BG
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 8.44pm | Permalink

    No, not done up in surgery gear. You are more likely to see jeans and flannel or pocket t-shirts along with slightly bulging stomachs. The two I have been witness to did involve an indepth discussion about the tools, however. As in many areas, guys have to compare their tools as a means of manliness. ;)

  165. tee452
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 8.45pm | Permalink

    The surgery gear comes after, at the emergency room.

  166. chelle5432
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 8.46pm | Permalink

    I am off now ladies, have a good evening :)

  167. BG
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 8.50pm | Permalink

    Goodnight chelle!

  168. missmaclay
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 8.59pm | Permalink

    Ca va, YBN, merci.

    Je suis fatigue… un petite pue(peu?..) malade..

  169. Coach
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 9.03pm | Permalink

    I am going to go back to my dungeon now.

  170. BG
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 9.05pm | Permalink

    Coach, why do you have a dungeon?

  171. tee452
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 9.06pm | Permalink

    I think MM should speak a different language every post for the rest of the night

    *ticks Hawaiian
    *ticks French*

  172. Coach
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 9.07pm | Permalink

    No reason. =)

  173. missmaclay
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 9.09pm | Permalink

    Can it at least be a language I actually speak, Tee? =P

  174. tee452
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 9.18pm | Permalink

    Hahaha, MM. Niet.

  175. BG
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 9.23pm | Permalink

    Ok, you two – no fair. I only know English and a little Spanish.

  176. missmaclay
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 9.30pm | Permalink

    I speak a wee bit Russian ;).

    Okay, just “Yes” and “no” but still…

    Spanish? Uno dos tres!

    Er… Dos something por favor!

    Laquenta! Or…something.

    Yes, tourist Spanish ;)

  177. tee452
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 9.31pm | Permalink

    Laquenta!

    Hahahahaha!

    and: Dos mas cervesas por favor!

  178. BG
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 9.42pm | Permalink

    Haha MM.

    I took two years of Spanish but my memory of it is not as good as I would like.

    Of course, Tee would know about the beer questions. ;)

  179. missmaclay
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 9.46pm | Permalink

    Is it…sevessa? or something like that? Beer, anyway.

    And, ew, I don’t even like beer, lol. Just spoke a wee bit when I was in Gib.

  180. tee452
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 9.51pm | Permalink

    Yo pienso MM bebio ya mucho cervesa.

  181. missmaclay
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 9.55pm | Permalink

    No, I did not drink alot of beer.

    I think that’s what you’re saying? lol

  182. BG
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 9.56pm | Permalink

    No, too much Razz.

  183. missmaclay
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 9.58pm | Permalink

    Lol no such thing as too much Razz ;).

    Well ladies, I shall bid you goodnight. Time for me to sleep, lol.

    Nighty!

  184. tee452
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 9.59pm | Permalink

    *hugs you* Yes, I was saying you already drank a lot because I told you it was cervesas @177 (cervesas), but you didn’t see.

  185. missmaclay
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 10.00pm | Permalink

    Lol ahhh right, I didn’t make the connection, thought that was something else ;)

    Soooooooowwie.

  186. BG
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 10.01pm | Permalink

    Goodnight MM!

  187. tee452
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 10.03pm | Permalink

    Night, MM.

    BG. Languages. Surely, you speak some Canadian?

  188. BG
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 10.06pm | Permalink

    Eh, of course!

    How about you? I assume you know Spanish much better than I do, especially since you are in Texas.

  189. tee452
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 10.16pm | Permalink

    I can get by pretty good reading Spanish. Writing it, I’m worse. Speaking it, only elementary level.

    Oh, except for ordering Mexican food:

    Traga me mas enchiladas…y pico de gallo tambien!

  190. BG
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 10.16pm | Permalink

    I am off for the day. See you Tee!

  191. BG
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 10.17pm | Permalink

    Haha, I actually got most of that. I think it would really come back to me if I actually used it more frequently.

    Have a great night!

  192. tee452
    Posted 2 November 2009 at 10.22pm | Permalink

    Night, BG.

    …I’m sooooo having Mexican food for dinner.

    http://tinyurl.com/djfnf6

  193. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 12.01am | Permalink

    Anyone about?

  194. tee452
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 12.15am | Permalink

    BLUE

    My DVD player is a Sony. Model# DVP-NS55P

    From the link you posted^^, I downloaded the little tool to tell if my lappie has region protection. It does. It says:
    Region Code: 1
    User: 4 changes left
    Manufacturer: 4 changes left
    Status: Not permanent

    Coach can give you my gmail if you’d rather use that. And thanks for your help!

  195. tee452
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 12.19am | Permalink

    Hiya Fortie.

  196. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 12.30am | Permalink

    Hi tee :)

  197. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 12.44am | Permalink

    Tee, just seen your pm and replied.

  198. blue
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 1.07am | Permalink

    YHM Tee

    I hope….

  199. dev0347
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 7.31am | Permalink

    who is this Fearne Cotton with a sunburn?

    That was v funny, Tee. I know Fearne Cotton did some work in the US. A couple of years ago, I nearly spat my Code Red all over our motel TV when I saw her doing some kind of Ripley’s or Guinness World Records-type show, possibly on NBC.

    Anyway, first Tuesday of the month. Formal team meetings most of the day. Talk amongst yourselves.

  200. MissMaclay
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 8.19am | Permalink

    *walks around looking for coffee*

  201. peanut
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 9.15am | Permalink

    *pours coffee down Stefs cleavage*

  202. Clom
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 9.36am | Permalink

    WHERE IS DEV?

  203. Clom
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 9.38am | Permalink

    Ugh. Formal team meetings. Just not right.

  204. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.12am | Permalink

    HAHA

    my formal team meeting just got cancelled….as there is only 2 of us we decided we can just talk to each other!

  205. Clom
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.12am | Permalink

    Apparently this happens all over the UK? Formal Team Meetings?

  206. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.14am | Permalink

    once a week, Clommie. And a One to One with the boss *whispas* I don’t have a boss really.

    I am going to use the spare time effectively….. and research weekend away.

  207. Clom
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.14am | Permalink

    OOh, where are you taking the Swede and me?

  208. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.16am | Permalink

    And MM, in exciting IT news, I got kitted out with a new work pc last night and a new MOUSE that is as smooth as a hot knife through butter!

    AND Tennant is on Graham Norton next week, before I forget.

  209. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.18am | Permalink

    she is taking me, Clom, I am just *cough* helping out on research.

    At the moment Budapest, Berlin or Madrid. What do you fancy?

  210. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.20am | Permalink

    Morning.

  211. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.21am | Permalink

    hey Fort, how was dinner?

  212. Clom
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.23am | Permalink

    Morning Fort

    **ruffles fort hair**

    Lets all go to Budapest Yeebs.

  213. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.25am | Permalink

    O_o *claps hands* that was my fave, Clom, they will have Xmas Fairs too.

    I just need to check out something on Berlin.

    Madrid can do one, the swede just wanted some practise.

  214. Clom
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.26am | Permalink

    Get two rooms. I don’t fancy listening to you two shag.

  215. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.26am | Permalink

    Dinner was fun yeebs. We had a good catch up and then we had a really nice stroll round London. We were surprised how quiet it was. I love southbank area, like standing on the bridges with the Eye and Big ben and all the lights.

    *hugs clommy*

  216. Clom
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.28am | Permalink

    Who’d ya have dinner with madam Fort?

  217. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.29am | Permalink

    pfffttt we will stick you in the closet with pillows and a blankie, we may chuck in some ear plugs too.

    The Southbank is lovely, Fort. MM liked it there too. And London does seem really quiet at the moment, we thought that last week when we went to dinner but it was half term then.

  218. MissMaclay
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.30am | Permalink

    *pours coffee down Stefs cleavage*

    How do you know I’m showing cleavage today, stalker?

    I used to have a formal team meeting every monday in Rotterdam. In the UK, however, it was only once a month.

    And MM, in exciting IT news, I got kitted out with a new work pc last night and a new MOUSE that is as smooth as a hot knife through butter!

    AND Tennant is on Graham Norton next week, before I forget.

    Nice! I hope it’s not a wireless one, lol.
    What channel is it on?

  219. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.32am | Permalink

    no, it isn’t but no ball thingy now!

    BBC1 Monday at 10.30. It may change though, his line up always seems to change.

  220. Clom
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.33am | Permalink

    We have an inquisition every Tuesday and Wednesday morning. Does that count?

    So long as there’s pillows, blankies and earplugs, I’m happy.

    **pours coffee down the back of Stefje’s pants**

  221. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.35am | Permalink

    *nods*

    yes, Clommie. All formal team meetings and One to Ones’s are an Inquisition.

  222. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.35am | Permalink

    A friend from uni clom.

    Yes, yeebs, southbank is where I spend most of my time in London but I really do like it at night.

    No, it was still surprisingly quiet last night too.

  223. Clom
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.37am | Permalink

    I spend most of my time in London under a bridge harassing rat.

  224. Clom
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.38am | Permalink

    QI is on!!

  225. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.38am | Permalink

    since they put in those restaurants, it is much improved there, Fort. I spend most of my time in town around Soho.

    *squints at Clom*

  226. Clom
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.40am | Permalink

    **hands yeeben some glasses**

  227. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.42am | Permalink

    *sees double*

    leave the poor wee rats alone

  228. Clom
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.43am | Permalink

    **pokes Yeebens rat with a stick**

  229. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.44am | Permalink

    *flicks away stick*

    Oi!

  230. Clom
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.45am | Permalink

    **pulls out second stick**

    **continues to poke Rat**

    **looks at Fort thoughtfully**

    **pokes Fort gently with stick**

  231. MissMaclay
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.45am | Permalink

    Ohhh I have BBC. Nice. I can’t check what time Doctor Who is on, as the stupid BBC don’t have it up yet. What time is it usually on? 7ish, right?

    *throws lima beans at Sezje*

  232. Clom
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.45am | Permalink

    **shoves lima beans down back of Stefje’s pants**

  233. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.47am | Permalink

    *covers rat with hands*

    errrrr dunno MM. Early evening, usuallay when the Saturday late k.o. match is on.

  234. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.49am | Permalink

    *usually

    where is Nutter, when I need her?

  235. Clom
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.50am | Permalink

    Don’t know. Anyone know how Leo is?

  236. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.52am | Permalink

    he was getting better, last I heard.

  237. Clom
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.53am | Permalink

    Oh good. I was worried. Not that anyone cared about MY leg.

  238. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.56am | Permalink

    *pats leg* there, there. at least you are getting around.

    God I am so nosy, guy sitting behind me is having a VERY unsubtle argument on the phone, my ears are *wagging*

  239. Clom
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.56am | Permalink

    unsubtle about what????

  240. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.58am | Permalink

    unsubtle that it is an argument and I think about something that happened at the weekend

    *wags ears more*

    I am pretty convinced he is gay too.

  241. Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.59am | Permalink

    Hey crazies.. and Mommie! =)

  242. MissMaclay
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.59am | Permalink

    Oi, Sezje, behave. How’s you leg? =P

    Isn’t it on sunday, YBN? *confused*

  243. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.00am | Permalink

    Mini, your mommie is THE crazy!

  244. Clom
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.00am | Permalink

    Hey sweetie.

    Stefje, do you even KNOW what I’ve done to my leg?

  245. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.01am | Permalink

    Dr Who? I am sure it is normally a Saturday, innit?

  246. MissMaclay
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.02am | Permalink

    No? *pouts* What happened, babe?

    Isn’t it on the 15th? That’s a sunday, right?

  247. Clom
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.03am | Permalink

    I tore my gastrocnemius muscle. I’m on crutches and I need physio for six weeks.

  248. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.04am | Permalink

    she fell over pissed, MM.

    the 15th is yes, if it is a special then ok, a Sunday. I’m not exactly writing it up on my calendar.

  249. Clom
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.05am | Permalink

    I DID NOT YEEBEN

    I hurt myself at work Stefje. Running for an emergency it was.

    Don’t listen to the Tit.

  250. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.05am | Permalink

    a does *drinky motion* emergency *wink*

    Clom dump the crutches.

  251. MissMaclay
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.06am | Permalink

    Oi, don’t mock Doctor Who, =P

    Ouch Sezje. *hugs* No more running.

  252. Clom
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.06am | Permalink

    Yeeben. Shove it up your vagina.

  253. Clom
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.06am | Permalink

    **hugs Stefje back**

    Twue

  254. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.07am | Permalink

    a crutch? no thank you.

    I’m not moking the Doc Who, I will watch it if around, just not gagging for it.

  255. MissMaclay
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.09am | Permalink

    Ouch… lol.

    Weeeeeeeell, it’s been too long for a new ep, YBN, so I’m looking forward to it. I always tend to really get into shows when they’ve either been cancelled, or there aren’t any new eps for ages. Same with South of Nowhere. Doctor who, too, all 4 seasons were on DVD already, lol.

  256. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.09am | Permalink

    *mocking

    ughhh

    seriosly Clom, dump the crutches. They are handy for ensnaring the remote and poking the swede awake when sitting in the comfie armchair, that is it!

  257. peanut
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.13am | Permalink

    where is Nutter, when I need her?
    Taking a bath and getting all wrinkly.
    You have a wife, call her when you need something.

  258. Clom
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.13am | Permalink

    I think I will after tomorrow
    it still hurts to walk now

    but after tomorrow I reckon i’ll just hobble.

  259. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.14am | Permalink

    She aint German, Nutter. Is the Mitte district in Berlin the same as Check Point Charlie? I can’t remember?

    yes, do Clom

  260. peanut
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.15am | Permalink

    Stop whining, Clommy :P
    It doesn’t suit you :P

  261. Clom
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.15am | Permalink

    **whacks peanut with crutch**

    EVERYONE BE NICE TO ME

  262. peanut
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.17am | Permalink

    *enjoys getting whacked*

  263. Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.20am | Permalink

    Okay.. something is just seriouslly wrong this morning..

    this day can never end good..

    1.. I got the cutest mail ever.. i think..
    2.. Gro has started a blog at our forum..
    3.. everything has worke fine today..
    4.. you are all crazy.. But still I love you all..

  264. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.20am | Permalink

    hahahahaha

    now stop the S&M games and answer my question.

  265. Clom
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.21am | Permalink

    Ugh

    *hugs Fort*

    *hugs Stefje*

    I’m going to bed.

  266. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.22am | Permalink

    no hug for me and Nutter?

    *scowls*

  267. peanut
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.23am | Permalink

    Yes, YBN.
    Charly is the next stop from Berlin Mitte, if you take the underground. Or walk a few minutes down Friedrichstraße, you’ll get there.

  268. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.23am | Permalink

    cute email from whom, Mini?

  269. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.23am | Permalink

    ahhh ok, thanks, Nutter.

  270. peanut
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.25am | Permalink

    cute email from whom, Mini?
    Me. Clearly.

  271. peanut
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.28am | Permalink

    stop the S&M games
    And that wasn’t a S&M game.
    That’s the only kind of sisterly affection I get! Remember, I’m just adopted.

  272. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.33am | Permalink

    Night clommy.

    I am off too. Bye all.

  273. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.34am | Permalink

    I would get unadopted, pronto!

  274. Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.37am | Permalink

    Cute mail from the cutest german girl ever.. After Peanut that is..

  275. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.41am | Permalink

    hahaha good answer, Mini.

    and YES *punches fist in air* another meeting cancelled.

  276. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.42am | Permalink

    I did it was possible to get minus on your bankaccount O_O

    *blinks Dumbo eyes at YBN*

    Wine..??

    What about ME, Mini, there might be some german in me!!!

    ..

    No, there isn’t.

    *PHEW*

  277. peanut
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.42am | Permalink

    *glares at Mini*
    Pfft!

  278. Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.42am | Permalink

    so how’s everyone today..

  279. Attachment
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.43am | Permalink

    Sure there is German in you! Me!

  280. peanut
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.44am | Permalink

    Peachy, Mini ;D

  281. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.45am | Permalink

    hahahaha
    *snorts*

    of course you can, Norks. Part of the reason for the credit crunch.

    *rummages in drawer*
    *finds last year’s Xmas present from colleague*
    *checks label*
    suitably crap for you Norks
    *hands over bottle of Jj*

    good, Mini, you? feeling better?

  282. Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.56am | Permalink

    Oh come on peanut! You know I adore you..

    Packsy.. I tried to get you on a date.. and you didn’t want me.. so don’t come here and complain now that I’m trying to get over you.. :D

    I’m doing better.. off to work in an hour..

    gotta take Chomper for a little walk now so he will sleep till I get back from work..

    Laters!

  283. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 12.10pm | Permalink

    *holds stomach*

    I need food. Someone feed me, please!

    *rips German attachment away*

    I told you to stay away!!!

    It’s on the plus side again now *phew*

  284. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 12.16pm | Permalink

    *looks at mushroom soup*
    *pours a spoonful*
    there

    Oo
    *offers a pear too*

  285. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 12.19pm | Permalink

    *spits out mushroom soup*

    I HATE mushrooms.

    My cousin just totalled his brand new Audi! *tsk*

    Now he doesn’t have his penisenlarger anymore..

    *pats cousin’s back*

  286. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 12.21pm | Permalink

    *tsk*
    mushrooms are yummy, *begrudgingly offers apple too*

    why would you want an Audi penisenlarger? way better out there.

  287. MissMaclay
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 12.26pm | Permalink

    Lol

    I did it was possible to get minus on your bankaccount O_O

    So cute, lol. I know people who live off that little minus.

  288. tee452
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 12.27pm | Permalink

    Dev beat Yahoo with yesterday’s post:

    http://tinyurl.com/yab4jnx

    I’m tired and going back to bed for a while.

  289. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 12.30pm | Permalink

    I like Audi’s, they’re pretty. Wait, maybe it is a BMW! *runs to facebook*

    Oh, I know people who live off of their mastercard too, but I’ve never been able to pay with minus on my bankaccount…thankfully!

  290. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 12.34pm | Permalink

    I don’t like either Audi or BMW, really.

    don’t you have an overdraft facility, Norks?

  291. MissMaclay
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 12.35pm | Permalink

    I love the BMW Z..something. 3 or 5?

    Glad I can go into minus in case I need to, but I’ve never had to use it.

  292. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 12.35pm | Permalink

    Good God

    did you see what Shrek and Collen have called their baby?

    Kai Wayne

    ughhhh!

  293. dev0347
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 12.37pm | Permalink

    Dev beat Yahoo with yesterday’s post

    Dev has BBC News 24 to thank.

    And my main bank account is never in credit, even on payday. I don’t think it’s ever been in credit since I was 18. And that was a very long time ago. Yet, I didn’t get my first credit card until I was well into my 30s.

    Off again. Different team, different team meeting. Back tomorrow.

    Tell Hopalong that I sent her something today. She should know what it is.

  294. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 12.38pm | Permalink

    Not a big fan of BMW as it is the ultimate penisenlarger here, Audis I do like. *hugs A4*

    What the hell is an overdraft facility?

  295. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 12.41pm | Permalink

    overdraft facility = agreement with the bank that you can take out minus money to a certain limit.

    *squints at Dev* really?

    Audis suck……. I may be biaised as I totalled one too. The back ends are too heavy to control when you spin around a corner doing 50.

  296. MissMaclay
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 12.43pm | Permalink

    The back ends are too heavy to control when you spin around a corner doing 50.

    Then…don’t spin ’round a corner doing 50? =P

  297. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 12.45pm | Permalink

    they do, especially when there there is oil and sand on the road from where the council didn’t clean up after roadworks properly.

  298. MissMaclay
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 12.47pm | Permalink

    Ah, council. Yea yea blame them ;).

    I’d like to see someone try and do 50 round a corner around Primrose Hill. Narrow little streets that

  299. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 12.48pm | Permalink

    Buy a 4wheeler then. I hate back-driven cars, impossible to control.

    I don’t need to get minus on my account, I usually just keep a small amount of money on my card account and the rest on another one. I just call the bank and get them to transfer for me.

    Wait, this reminds me I owe my friend money.

    *goes to pay*

  300. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 12.50pm | Permalink

    I did and got them to pay the costs!

    Primrose Hill is a bloody nightmare to drive and why I laughed hard at the Range Rover in IM&Y, there are way too many of them in PH and the school runs there are to be avoided like the plague.

  301. MissMaclay
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 12.55pm | Permalink

    Lol and did they?!

    Aye, I was looking around wondering how people drive through there. There was a RR in IM&Y? *thinks*

  302. dev0347
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 12.57pm | Permalink

    *squints at Dev* really?

    Genuinely. I would pay for the account even if I was in credit and it’s one of the perks of the account that the overdraft is free, therefore why would I pay my overdraft off?

    Right, definitely, definitely going this time.

  303. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 12.58pm | Permalink

    yes

    the dad (Giles) has one, when they are chasing Lucy at the end, she is in a cab and stuck in traffic.

    *sneaks a look at Norks Deposit account*
    O_o

  304. MissMaclay
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 1.01pm | Permalink

    Lol, Giles. He is so funny in that film.

    He doesn’t live in PH, though, does he? He lives in that big house you see when Rachel and Hec argue over her loving someone else.

  305. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 1.01pm | Permalink

    *HIDES deposit account*

    Don’t oogle!

    Oooh, now I just remembered that my dad has lots of my money on his account, THAT might be why his bankaccount was high *nods*

    ..

    *hopes*

    Or maybe it was the house *pouts*

    No, I have not been sneaking a look at the tax-lists *whistles*

  306. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 1.06pm | Permalink

    he lives in, what looks like Hampstead, MM but they drive to the florist shop in PH and they cahse from there. Drive along Chalcot Rd, I believe, fricken nightmare there.

    Most of the roads in London are relatively narrow as you get cars parked on both sides as garages sell for like £100k and people live in them.

    hahahahaha Norks, *eyeing up* the inheritance already!

  307. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 1.12pm | Permalink

    Ofcourse I am!

    Need to be prepared.

    All I want from granny is her chair.

    I have to fight my mom for it!

  308. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 1.16pm | Permalink

    Norks, never expect owt.

    You parents may go mad and run off to Vegas and spend it all and bet the house and lose that too.

    You may be left with a pile of debt!

    Is granny’s chair a rocking one, like in Psycho?

  309. MissMaclay
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 1.16pm | Permalink

    Hampstead? I’ve been there, I think. Ohyea, they do. Cause Luce’s mum is all “You’re her, aren’t you?”

    All I want from granny is her chair.

    I have to fight my mom for it!

    Let’s hope it won’t be time for that for a long time, yea? =P. Someone mentioned my gran today as someone here knows my dad and I got all teary eyed, lol.

  310. peanut
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 1.17pm | Permalink

    I hate inheritance and all the drama that comes along with it.
    I’m so lucky to be an only child and have nothing to inherit!

  311. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 1.22pm | Permalink

    My parents are SO not the fighting type, my dad gave most of his inheritage to my uncle, he just didn’t want to bother with it.

    Now he’s trying to push the house on my brother! *laughs*

    The chair is because it is so HER, Stef, yellow and wooden and very uncomfie, but her fave chair.

    They would never go to Vegas, my dad can’t do a long flight as it’s not legal to go out for a smoke on the wings.

  312. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 1.25pm | Permalink

    *squints at MM*
    where you cottaging up Hampstead Heath?

    *chuckles*
    well he may put it on the horses, do youse have that weird trap racing?

  313. MissMaclay
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 1.29pm | Permalink

    Okay, I get it then, Packs. ^^.

    Cottaging? As in, cottage? Wtf? =P

  314. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 1.32pm | Permalink

    Trap racing? O_O

    I’m more afraid he will spend it all on tobacco.

    And I wasn’t originally talking about inheritance, just that he has my confirmation money on his account!

    They will give it all to my bro, no doubt.

    Can you get in jail for torturing a plant?

  315. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 1.35pm | Permalink

    yes, MM. what George Michael allegedly goes there to do when he isn’t walking his dog.

    trap racing = a horse with a buggy thing behind

    You get a lot for confirmation?

  316. MissMaclay
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 1.38pm | Permalink

    Er.. was it an important plant?

    Lol, yes, I totally went there to go cottaging *rolls eyes*

    trap racing = a horse with a buggy thing behind

    Ben Hur style?

  317. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 1.40pm | Permalink

    HAHAHAHAHA a wee bit more sedate than Ben Hur, MM. No racing to the death!

  318. MissMaclay
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 1.42pm | Permalink

    Lol oh aye, didn’t one of the stunt dudes die filming that?

  319. Coach
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 1.44pm | Permalink

    MM have you ever had Razz with lemonade?

  320. MissMaclay
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 1.46pm | Permalink

    Nope, Coach. Worth trying?

  321. Coach
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 1.47pm | Permalink

    I don’t know somebody recommended it to me. I’ll have to find out this weekend, since I have a three day weekend with my new schedule.

  322. MissMaclay
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 1.48pm | Permalink

    Sweeeeeeeeeeeet.

    Try it with coke first. Yum.

  323. Coach
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 1.49pm | Permalink

    Okie dokie.

  324. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 1.50pm | Permalink

    pfffffttt have it straight up.

  325. MissMaclay
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 1.53pm | Permalink

    Razz? No way, YBN, lol.

    I have a match saturday, otherwise we could do the drinking thing, Kimm. Maybe saturday night?

  326. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 1.55pm | Permalink

    do it schaps style, MM.

    then come on here!

  327. Coach
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 1.58pm | Permalink

    Depends on what time Saturday night as I have to go to a baby shower at noon. Nine your time so I would be home until 11 or so your time. I’m sure I could catch up with you though.

  328. MissMaclay
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 1.58pm | Permalink

    schaps style? Explain.

    Psht, I’ll probably still be online that time, lol.

  329. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 1.59pm | Permalink

    Put the razz in tampons, Stef, a mate of mine always wanted to try that!

    Uuuuugh, I just got a very very VERY bad call *SOOOOBS*

  330. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.03pm | Permalink

    *schnaps

  331. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.05pm | Permalink

    wassup Norks?

    *hugs*
    *hands over tissue*

  332. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.09pm | Permalink

    My best friend messed up her pills *SOOOBS*

    I volunteered to drive her to the abortion clinic.

  333. tee452
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.10pm | Permalink

    Cottaging with George Michael and Norwegian chariot-racing. *snorts* LOVE it here.

  334. tee452
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.11pm | Permalink

    =( Ugh. Sorry, Packsy.

  335. MissMaclay
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.16pm | Permalink

    Ew, my sister told me about that the other day, Packs. She didn’t speak from experience =P

    I still don’t know, YBN. You mean shots?

  336. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.16pm | Permalink

    awwww
    *hands over lollipop*
    your being a good friend

    *squin-ts at Tee*

  337. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.18pm | Permalink

    aye, MM.

    Don’t you have schnaps there? or aquavit?

    wouldn’t the tampon …..be a bit soggy, like?

  338. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.19pm | Permalink

    She gladly accepted, saying “there’s no way in hell I’m gonna have a fucking child NOW!” then laughed and said she hoped she’d get an abortion discount at her hospital.

    Poor Ray, he wants it!

    In what end way did your sis talk about, Stef?? O_O

    *licks lollipop*

    We all know you want to cottage George Michael, Tee.

  339. MissMaclay
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.20pm | Permalink

    Shots with pure Razz? I’d die, lol.

    Where you would normally put a tampon, Packs =P.

  340. Coach
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.22pm | Permalink

    Where you would normally put a tampon, Packs =P. you sure you want to ask packs this question?

  341. tee452
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.25pm | Permalink

    *sq-uints back*

    Are we really talking about dowsing a tampon in alcohol in rum and then *inserting* it? -.-

  342. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.25pm | Permalink

    My mate wanted at least only to put it in her mouth or under her arms!

    Shots with Razz is not too bad, Stef. Though shots make me gag *shudders*

  343. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.26pm | Permalink

    she told him?
    maybe she can get loyalty points that can be cashed in at various shops.

    I am still not quite sure at the tampon thing.

  344. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.27pm | Permalink

    ewwwwwwww

    just why?

  345. MissMaclay
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.30pm | Permalink

    I am comfortable enough with asking her that, as I am currently not drinking anything, that I can spit out, being shocked at her answer, Kimm. =P

    Yes, Tee, lol. My sister said ‘people in Norway do it.’

    *looks at Packs*

    Shots in general are lush. Apple Sourz, Sambuca (Black and white), B52… etc.

  346. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.33pm | Permalink

    She so didn’t, Stef! *GLARES*

    ‘course she told him, she decided to mourn by throwing a huge party, then decided that..no, maybe she shouldn’t drink after all. *shakes head*

    *puts tampons into winebottle*

    *turns on head*

    ..

    *shakes bottle*

    !!!

    *frantically tried to get it out*

  347. peanut
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.34pm | Permalink

    You get a lot for confirmation?
    You don’t? O_o
    Even I got a bunch of money for (what is still called) Jugendweihe.

    What’s up with everybody getting pregnant these days?
    Anni and I talked about spaying the other day. Only place you can get that at our age here being Hannover, is kind of sad …

  348. MissMaclay
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.37pm | Permalink

    Hmhm, sure Packs. Try it next time ;) =P.

  349. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.39pm | Permalink

    I’m not gonna try that, EW.

    Even I have limits.

    *hides all tampons in lockable closet, away from drunken hands*

    What is spaying?

  350. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.39pm | Permalink

    do we heck, Nutter.

    I got a necklace with a crucifix on it. Even First communion, I got a Missal and Rosary Beads!

    *ponders if the swede has a small fortune stashed*

  351. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.40pm | Permalink

    when do youse get the confirmation money?

  352. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.41pm | Permalink

    *dangles tampons from Norks ear*

    *dangles an applicator from chasity belt*
    see, handy, huh!

  353. peanut
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.42pm | Permalink

    Sterilisation, Packs.

    *points at YBN*
    hahaha
    That reminds me, I wrote the rogation(?) for Verts communion. How ironic is that?!

  354. MissMaclay
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.42pm | Permalink

    Speaking of money, I’m getting a nice bit back. Tax refunds, lol.

    Go on, Packs. You know you want to…

  355. tee452
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.43pm | Permalink

    Spaying is what a veterinarian does to *ahem* female cats keep them from being able to get pregnant.

    Neutering is for boys.
    Spaying is for girls.

  356. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.44pm | Permalink

    *steals all of Stef’s refunds*

    I had to spend all of mine on mastercard bills!!

    Guess there’s a reason why I first was denied a mastercard.. *whistles*

    What the hell is an applicator?

    Here you can’t do sterilisation before you’re 25.

    *counts years*

    ..

    =(

  357. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.44pm | Permalink

    when did she get communion-ed? *squints*
    and what is Rogation?

    this discussion remiinds me of a weird argument me and the swede were having the other night about Protestant nuns and whether they exist

  358. MissMaclay
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.45pm | Permalink

    Give it back, Packs. I’m paying for my flight to L.A. with that.

  359. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.47pm | Permalink

    hahahaha I knew you would ask that.

    On a certain brand of tampon here you get an applicator, it is a supposed to make the insertion easier and I guess hygenic. Personally I never get that brand and if there is no choice, I just chuck the applicator.

  360. peanut
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.48pm | Permalink

    Ah!
    Stop!
    It was her confirmation! It’s just another word in German, sorry.
    And it’s also called intercession, so maybe you know what that is?

  361. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.48pm | Permalink

    Doesn’t exist, Suzie.

    You only got enough for an LA ticket..? *raises eyebrow*

    The priest refused to give me candy during rehearsals, cause I asked him about Satanism. He got a “talk about turning the other cheek!” comment thrown back at him.

    He hates me now.

    At least I got out of bending down on my knees before him, blaming it on bad knees *cough cough*

  362. MissMaclay
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.50pm | Permalink

    Nah there’s money left, but I’m glad to have the plane ticket outta the way, lol.

    At least I got out of bending down on my knees before him

    What kind of ceremony is that? oO

  363. peanut
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.51pm | Permalink

    I remember all girls back in highschool using those tampons!

  364. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.51pm | Permalink

    we agree for once, Norks but it is a bit odd seeing a Catholic nunnery in an episode of Swedish Wallander.

    What age are you confirmed?

  365. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.52pm | Permalink

    that was last night, MM!

    aye, Nutter, I do too and they tend to be the only choice in teh machines in public loos and pubs.

  366. tee452
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.55pm | Permalink

    We never have any in our machines here. I would never rely on there being one in any public bathroom.

  367. Coach
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.56pm | Permalink

    I was 30 when I was confirmed.

    One of my coworkers just asked if she looks like a hooker…… if you have to ask.

  368. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.56pm | Permalink

    yes, I know what intersession is, Nutter.

    I love those wee overnight bags you can buy in pubs and club loos, so classy, huh!

  369. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.57pm | Permalink

    really Coach, your choice, I guess?

  370. peanut
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.57pm | Permalink

    I was 14.

    We don’t even have machines for that! O_o
    At least I’ve never seen one before O_o

  371. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.58pm | Permalink

    I think I know which brand, and I know NO ONE who uses it.

    There are Catholic nunnerys here, just very very few of them.

    I was confirmed at 15. Catholics get confirmed earlier, right?

  372. Coach
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.58pm | Permalink

    I was guilt-ed into it.

  373. MissMaclay
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.58pm | Permalink

    Lol, I was gonna say, YBN..

    Did you say “Yes”, Coachy? Or subtlely changed the subject? =P.

    I’m off home, suckers. Later =P

  374. Coach
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.59pm | Permalink

    I just let someone else answer.

  375. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 2.59pm | Permalink

    I was 11.

  376. peanut
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 3.00pm | Permalink

    Don’t Catholics get confirmed later? O_o
    Vert was older when she got it O_o

  377. Coach
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 3.00pm | Permalink

    *squints at Tee while eating grapes*

  378. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 3.02pm | Permalink

    that is why I was wondering, Nutter, I didn’t think you had known each other that long.

    it may be different on the continent.

    I have no clue of the swede is confirmed.

  379. BG
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 3.04pm | Permalink

    Hello all!

    Interesting topics today.

    I think most people here use the ones with the applicators, at least if the store shelve are any indication.

  380. peanut
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 3.07pm | Permalink

    Well, I wasn’t really confirmed, cause I’m atheist. What do you lot call it in English when we get “confirmed”? Or don’t you have that?

    I think she was 16 or 17.
    And friends of mine where that age too.

  381. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 3.07pm | Permalink

    I to this day do not know why I was confirmed in church!

    Shouldn’t you be old enough to stand for your own actions at 30, Coach? *hides from PG wrath*

  382. PG wrath
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 3.10pm | Permalink

    *kicks Packs ass*

  383. Coach
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 3.11pm | Permalink

    Packs you are right. However I didn’t see the harm in it so I went through with it. I actually learned a lot.

  384. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 3.21pm | Permalink

    Owww!! *rubs ass*

    *sulks*

    No harm in it? Do you believe in Christianity, Coach?

    There is no more harm in anything than in religion!

    *burns all religion down*

  385. Coach
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 3.25pm | Permalink

    Yes and No packs.

  386. Coach
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 3.27pm | Permalink

    I wouldn’t force my beliefs or non-beliefs on anyone.

  387. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 3.28pm | Permalink

    we call it getting confirmed, Nutter.

    Confirmation isn’t as freaky as First Communiun when you in effect wear a wedding dress in your marriage to Holy Trinity or whateves.

    I did have a snazzy cape thing though and I had to get carried to the altar as I had stepped on a bottle the day before and had a load of sticthes in my ankle.

    Actually thinking about it, I got a fair bit of cash that day.

  388. tee452
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 3.46pm | Permalink

    *squints at Tee while eating grapes*

    *smiles while eating mixed berries* Anti-oxidants rule!

    *roast marshmallows on smoldering religion*

  389. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 3.48pm | Permalink

    See, you got cash too, don’t complain!

    Why did you do it if you don’t believe, Coach?

  390. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 3.50pm | Permalink

    *throws water over hot coals of religion*
    *pulls chair closer*

  391. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 3.56pm | Permalink

    *pushes Tee and Suzie into schorching hell of religion*

  392. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 3.57pm | Permalink

    *undoes another button*
    nice and warm in here, huh Tee?

    *sips Jj*

  393. tee452
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.02pm | Permalink

    *jumps in handbasket* Weeeee!

    Yes, YBN, rather pleasant.

    *doesn’t let the Norski have any Jj*

  394. Coach
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.02pm | Permalink

    The honest answer on why I did it is because my Aunt said that she would be my sponsor. My Aunt lives on the other said of the country, so I thought that it would be a good reason for her to come visit since she never does.

  395. Coach
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.03pm | Permalink

    And I never said I didn’t believe just that I would not force my opinion on anyone either way.

  396. missmaclay
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.04pm | Permalink

    Confirmation isn’t as freaky as First Communiun when you in effect wear a wedding dress in your marriage to Holy Trinity or whateves.

    I think I did that. I’m not sure as I don’t know all the English names for it and all, but everyone did it. I think I was about…10/11ish?

  397. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.08pm | Permalink

    Why didn’t you do it when younger, Coach?

    Ummmnnn I think we were about 7/8, MM. You do your First Confession just before then too.

  398. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.09pm | Permalink

    Only time I wore a dress in church was during my salvation, and I cried in horror the whole time.

    *puts Tee and Suzie into icy water tub*

  399. Coach
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.11pm | Permalink

    Never had the desire or reason to do it when I was younger.

  400. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.13pm | Permalink

    *sizzles*

    I fainted doing my first confession, I should have taken that as a sign.

    I will probably go to Midnight Mass this Xmas though, for a wee sing-a-long.

  401. Coach
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.15pm | Permalink

    *whistles* never been to confession

  402. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.17pm | Permalink

    really!

    do you not take communion?

  403. tee452
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.17pm | Permalink

    Only time I wore a dress in church was during my salvation, and I cried in horror the whole time.

    At the salvation or the dress?

    I love Christmas carols.

  404. missmaclay
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.19pm | Permalink

    Lol I’ve never been to confession either. I haven’t been inside a church in years, lol. Last time was to light a candle while I was on holiday in Gib, before that.. years, dude.

  405. Coach
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.20pm | Permalink

    We have reconciliation masses. But yes if I go I take communion.

  406. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.20pm | Permalink

    they should just have put Norks in a sack cloth and given her ashes, just to be down with it.

    Holy Carols too Tee, makes me feel all righteous. I will drag the swede along too. She can just copy me on the standing, kneeling and sitting.

  407. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.23pm | Permalink

    but …..but you can’t take communion without confessing first!

    *skewers marshmallows on pitchfork*
    *places over smouldering embers of religion*

  408. Coach
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.25pm | Permalink

    That is what the reconciliation mass is for. One giant confession.

  409. Chelle5432
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.25pm | Permalink

    Hey all :)

  410. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.25pm | Permalink

    Uuugh, FINALLY I managed to open the salsa!

    *PHEW*

    I knelt infront of a priest once, but only because I wanted a cookie.

  411. missmaclay
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.27pm | Permalink

    but …..but you can’t take communion without confessing first!

    Really? I’m confused…

    Do alot of 7/8 year olds have alot to confess, YBN? ;)

  412. BLB
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.32pm | Permalink

    Shalom

    *waves*

  413. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.32pm | Permalink

    Coach, over at catholicanswers.com that is debunked a bit. I don’t think we have Reconciliation Masses here but I could be wrong so don’t really know.

    I just know I wouldn’t go up for communion without individually confessing and as I don’t have a spare week, that isn’t going to happen.

    And I just hope Dev hasn’t seen this as she may smite us tomorrow with a PG about it all *sighs*

    *dips Nacho in Salsa*
    weakling!

  414. tee452
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.32pm | Permalink

    My favorite is “O Come O Come Emmanuel”, YBN.

    I would have no idea what to do in a Catholic church service. And I would NEVER kneel in front of a priest. Even when I was religious I would have known that was weird.

    Hey Chelle.

  415. Chelle5432
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.33pm | Permalink

    I hated confession. I never knew what to say. I always ended up saying that I didn’t do the washing up when asked or was fighting with my brother (though I was never actually sorry for that).

  416. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.34pm | Permalink

    you would be susprised, MM. But I think it is more the regime of catching them young as they are easier to brainwash.

    *starts singing*
    Shalom my friend, Shalom, Shalom.

  417. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.35pm | Permalink

    Hevenu Shaaaaaaaalom alachem.

    Hevenu shaaaaaaaaaAAAALOM alachem.

    Hevenu shAAAaaaLOOOOM alachem.

    ..

    WHAT, I only know how to sing it, not write it!!!

  418. missmaclay
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.36pm | Permalink

    Shalom!

    ‘You can call me Al’ was on the telly yesterday *grins*

    Sounds about right, YBN, lol.

  419. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.36pm | Permalink

    *sighs*
    you aren’t kneeling to the priest, it is God.
    *tsk*

    *keels over at incense overload*

    Chelle, I used to lie my whole way through it and then confess at lies at the end of the confession.

  420. Chelle5432
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.37pm | Permalink

    Hi Tee. How are you today?

  421. BLB
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.37pm | Permalink

    You don’t have to confess anything if you’re Jewish…lucky me :)

    Packs you totally got that song in my head now…I feel like I’m at my sister’s wedding again.

  422. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.38pm | Permalink

    Oh MY GOD, there are Catholic forums hahahaha *rubs hands in glee*

    *ponders username*

  423. Coach
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.40pm | Permalink

    *ponders username* please share when you think of one.

  424. peanut
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.40pm | Permalink

    I knelt infront of a priest once, but only because I wanted a cookie.
    And there I thought it was because you were drunk and puked all over his shoes …

  425. Chelle5432
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.41pm | Permalink

    Hahaha *high 5’s YBN* I always made up stuff cause he kept asking me if there was anything else I needed to confess and I felt like I wasn’t saying enough. Me and my friends used to brainwave beforehand to try and come up with something new everytime.

  426. tee452
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.42pm | Permalink

    Wait, there’s “incense” involved? *squints*

    Good, Chelle. I have on long sleeves today and everything! You?

  427. Chelle5432
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.43pm | Permalink

    *brainstorm

  428. peanut
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.44pm | Permalink

    “*ponders username*” please share when you think of one.
    I vote for “chastity belt”!

  429. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.45pm | Permalink

    I had nothing more to throw up, Peanut.

    I just really wanted that cookie.

    Was really disappointed I got no wine though *pouts*

    Oooh, I can heard the ice cream truck outside, anyone have a spare 100kr???

  430. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.45pm | Permalink

    Coach, I may have to set up mutiple usernames!

    I’m not sure if I can bring myself to do anthing really smutty though and I bet I get blocked.

    “thatsahalonotadonut” is my good girl one
    “thatsavagnotahalo” is my bad girl
    “wheredoIbyahalo” is my questioning one
    “wheredoIbyavag” is my beyond help one

    wait, is it American based? I can use a british euphamism to get past blocking!

    *runs to check*

  431. Chelle5432
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.47pm | Permalink

    *claps* Yay for Tee.

    I’m not too great but I’ll survive, chatting with you lot helps :)

  432. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.49pm | Permalink

    I hear ya Norks.
    I was a religion ho when I was a kid and went to to Sunday School and Church of God with my non catholic friends as they had better stories, biscuits and OJ.

  433. tee452
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.51pm | Permalink

    Are ice cream trucks a bit sketchy there? They are here.

    thatsahalonotadonut Love it. And I get the irony.

    Chelle, when I don’t feel good, I like to come in here too. Always brightens my day.

  434. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.54pm | Permalink

    sketchy how?

    the one that comes by us is fine except it JUST sells ice cream and lollies *tsk*

  435. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.54pm | Permalink

    Why are they sketchy there?

    Not sketchy here. Unless you mean ‘drivingasfastaspossiblewhenpoorpackcomesrunningafter’.

    ..

    Was that over 36? *shrugs*

    I do have to say I like Jesus though.

    I’d really like to have Jesus in my basement.

    REALLY like it.

  436. Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.54pm | Permalink

    Mini is back home from Work!

    I have saved the world from yet another catastrophy!

    now I’m gonna go put some wierd food in my tummy..
    Yes it is my dad that has made it.. never know how that will end.. =P nah it should be okay..

    LAAAAAters!

  437. Chelle5432
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.55pm | Permalink

    And what else do you want an ice cream truck to sell Yeebs?

  438. Chelle5432
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.58pm | Permalink

    Later Mini.

  439. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 4.59pm | Permalink

    O_o my last comment got eaten
    *hides under the Applicator Altar from Dev wrath*

    well in Scotland, Chelle. They stock bottles of ginger (soda), fags (you can buy singles) , crisps, sweeties and drugs in some too.

  440. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 5.00pm | Permalink

    I have some riddles for you! Let’s see who can solve it first:

    Find the derivated expression to the funksjon, df/dx.

    f(x)=(3x+4)*(3x^4-1)

    *waits*

  441. chelle5432
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 5.01pm | Permalink

    Jesus they are some ice cream trucks you have there Yeebs! =P

  442. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 5.02pm | Permalink

    HAHAHAHAHA

    *thrusts hand in air*

    is it 69?

  443. Coach
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 5.02pm | Permalink

    Packs there is a reason I don’t have a college degree. That reason would be Math.

  444. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 5.05pm | Permalink

    some of those ice cream trucks make a fortune, Chelle. There was a HUGE turf war over certain routes and people were getting knee capped and shot at!

    and O_o I just remember something I did when wee that was not completely legal *whistles*

  445. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 5.06pm | Permalink

    ..it was you who kneecapped and shot them? *raises eyebrow*

    *flicks Suzie* sssh, be serious, I might fail because of you!

  446. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 5.08pm | Permalink

    hahahaha yeah sure just call me “The Ice cream Icer”

    how are you going to pass an exam if we do your homework?

  447. tee452
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 5.08pm | Permalink

    Ice cream trucks are thought of as being paedo hideouts here. Not sure how true it is, but that’s what folks think.

    I used to love fxns. I’ve forgotten how to do them though.

  448. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 5.09pm | Permalink

    Priesthood is seen as a paedo hideout here.

    I will read before the exam, YBN. But since I’ve had a two day headache, I don’t have the time to finish this along, AND it’s supposed to be a group thingie so I have to do the work of 3 people.

  449. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 5.10pm | Permalink

    I think you need the product rule packs.

    http://tinyurl.com/ysu54f

  450. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 5.12pm | Permalink

    So in your example

    f(x) = u*v

    where u = (3x+4)
    and v =(3x^4-1)

    and the method is

    df/dx = u’.v + v’.u

  451. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 5.12pm | Permalink

    did you still not ask anyone?

    *shakes head*

    I honestly can’t remember how to do them, I have no need to remember it.

  452. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 5.13pm | Permalink

    *awaits Norks response to Fort*

  453. peanut
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 5.14pm | Permalink

    O_O
    FORT?!?!?!
    WTF! STOP THAT! O_O

  454. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 5.14pm | Permalink

    *awaits Norks response to Fort*

    Hoping it is ‘thank you’

  455. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 5.15pm | Permalink

    What? Why? I’m trying to help, peanut.

  456. tee452
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 5.15pm | Permalink

    Hahaha at Nutter.

    *hugs Fort*

    *waits with YBN*

  457. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 5.16pm | Permalink

    O_O_O

    Was I supposed to understand that?

    But thank you, Fort, for trying to help me =) I’ll just read what’s written in the book first, then ask you again, is that alright? *hugs*

  458. yeahbutno
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 5.18pm | Permalink

    ah well at least you got that, Fort.

    I never thought I would say this but the PG got even weirder today!

    I’m off home, laters.

  459. Posted 3 November 2009 at 5.25pm | Permalink

    I fucking hate math.. I can barly help the ones that are in 3de grade her in sweden. How the hell I passad math in highschool ( and I was the only one in my class) is a fucking mystery to me..

    so I read math A in highschool.. My brother read up to math F and then he took an extra special math on top of that.. all the math you could take..

  460. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 5.25pm | Permalink

    How did it get weirder? O_O

  461. chelle5432
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 5.27pm | Permalink

    Soooooo fucking wrong!!

    http://tinyurl.com/yg9f7sc

  462. chelle5432
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 5.29pm | Permalink

    Yeah Mini I was pretty crappy at maths too but did alright in the Leaving Cert. (end of school exams)

  463. tee452
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 5.31pm | Permalink

    It defo got weirder.

    Chelle, can I click on that at work?

  464. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 5.31pm | Permalink

    Packs here is a full explanation of the product rule.
    In your example you have two things multiplied together. (3x+4) is one of them and (3x^4-1) is the other one.

    The product rule gives you a way to differentiate the product of two functions, which is what you have here.

    So if we say (3x+4) is a function of x, and we call it u(x)
    Then we say (3x^4-1) is another function of x, and we call it v(x)
    Our whole function is:
    f(x) = (3x+4)*(3x^4-1)
    Then we can say generally:
    f(x) = u(x)*v(x)

    The product rule tells us then that

    df/dx = du/dx * v + dv/dx * u

    (One can also right du/dx as u’ or dv/dx as v’ hence the formula earlier)

    So work out du/dx and dv/dx and then just sub du/dx, v, dv/dx and u into that formula the product rule gives us.

    An example :

    f(x) = x^2 * (2x-1)

    u = x^2
    v = (2x-1)

    du/dx = 2x
    dv/dx = 2

    df/dx = du/dx * v + dv/dx * u

    Sub in those four values

    df/dx = 2x * (2x-1) + 2 * x^2

    Simplify

    df/dx = 4x^2 – 2x + 2x^2
    df/dx = 6x^2 – 2x
    df/dx = 2x(3x-1)

  465. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 5.31pm | Permalink

    I had a fucking A in maths, but that was 5 years ago, I quit while it was still easy!

    I’m afraid failing it this year will leave big problems for me later though..

    Ugh, I really need to read.

    I don’t know how to solve any of these questions.

  466. chelle5432
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 5.32pm | Permalink

    Yeah Tee it’s just a news story.

  467. missmaclay
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 5.34pm | Permalink

    I loved math in high school, but we never covered that *points up*

  468. tee452
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 5.39pm | Permalink

    *high 5’s MM* Me too. I’d gladly take math over literature.

  469. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 5.41pm | Permalink

    If it wasnt obvious, I loved maths too.

  470. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 5.41pm | Permalink

    Oh my god.

    Fort, you are my mentor, alright, I need you as my guardian angel of Maths!

  471. missmaclay
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 5.41pm | Permalink

    I never had literature, Tee, it sounds kinda interesting.

    Well, if your teacher is Simone Bradley, lol.

  472. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 5.43pm | Permalink

    Someone… SOMEONE!!!! in here linked a half-naked piccie to me when I was at work, you just always say your links are clean, Chelle!!

  473. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 5.43pm | Permalink

    Did you understand that packs?

  474. BG
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 5.46pm | Permalink

    Aah, what a good teacher you are Fort!

  475. chelle5432
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 5.46pm | Permalink

    *flicks Packsy’s ear*

    It’s just a baby. YOU big baby.

  476. chelle5432
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 5.47pm | Permalink

    *high 5’s Fort*

  477. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 5.48pm | Permalink

    I’m trying to understand it, Fort. How do you get:

    du/dx = 2x
    dv/dx = 2

    ?

  478. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 5.50pm | Permalink

    Do you not remember how to differentiate at all packs?

  479. tee452
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 5.51pm | Permalink

    I love to read, MM. I just don’t want to be told what to read or what to think about what I read.

    what a good teacher you are Fort!

    *smiles*

  480. Posted 3 November 2009 at 5.54pm | Permalink

    Seriouslly this Place..

    first sex..
    then Football..
    and now Math!

    *lays down on couch*
    *tries to block out the world*

  481. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 5.55pm | Permalink

    *high 5’s Tee* I so agree, I love reading but not when I am being forced to.

    So it isn’t 9(x^4+x) then, Fort? *pouts*

  482. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 5.56pm | Permalink

    Wait, now I forgot to use the df/dx thingie. Uuugh, *looks for example with df/dx*

  483. peanut
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 6.01pm | Permalink

    My head hurts, thanks Fort …
    I totally have the Matrix screen running through right now …

  484. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 6.02pm | Permalink

    Packs, I just thought of a much easier way to do this. Both give you the same answer (which is not the answer in comment 481).

    If you multiply out your whole equation, you can just do normal differentation of each term. Sorry, the way I explained is just faster for me. But this way would be simpler.

    Multiply out the bracket and tell me what you get.

    f(x)=(3x+4)*(3x^4-1)

  485. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 6.03pm | Permalink

    Quick question, are you supposed to be doing normal differentation or product rule? What was assigned in the homework as the point of these questions? I.e. what have you been doing in class. As the longer way I am suggesting now might not be what they want you to do.

  486. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 6.06pm | Permalink

    Sorry peanut.

    This is a lot more difficult online than I thought. I need to be there to be able to see what packs is doing with the questions haha.

  487. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 6.11pm | Permalink

    I haven’t attended more than one math lesson, Fort, but I’m looking through the book now, and they show two ways to do it, through product key and through multiplication.

    Uuugh, I don’t think I can even do multiplication anymore!

    f(x)= 9x^5+12^x4-3x-4 ????

    *waits for big, red X*

  488. peanut
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 6.12pm | Permalink

    Yeah it’s cool …
    At least you know what ya talking about ^^

    And for once, I just decided to be NICE and not write what I intended too. Cause this is important to Packs.
    Hope you appreciate it Dumbo :P

  489. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 6.14pm | Permalink

    Oh okay, well those are the two ways I have mentioned then.

    Let us try multiplication since you are just starting out.

    Okay that is correct.

    Now let us take the first term. 9x^5.

    Do you know how to differentiate that?

    f(x) = ax^n
    df/dx = anx^(n-1)

  490. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 6.14pm | Permalink

    Oh except the second term had a typo but I assume you did mean 12x^4

  491. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 6.15pm | Permalink

    Fort, I don’t know what differentiation is.. =(

  492. peanut
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 6.19pm | Permalink

    Wow … I had all that stuff in highschool!
    I remember this f(x) = ax^n!

  493. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 6.19pm | Permalink

    Okay well you really need to read in your textbook then!

    At the very basic level, differentiating one single term in x, I wrote how to do up there.

    In general the rule is:
    f(x) = ax^n
    then df/dx = anx^(n-1)

    So… if you have 3x^2
    then a=3 and n=2 and you sub it all in to the formula:

    df/dx = 3.2.x^(2-1) = 6x

    So now you try and tell me what df/dx is if f(x)= 9x^5

  494. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 6.20pm | Permalink

    Yep peanut, we even had the same notation obviously as I hadnt seen your post before posting mine.

  495. peanut
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 6.24pm | Permalink

    Doesn’t mean I know anything about it though …
    But I was pretty good in geometry! :D

  496. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 6.24pm | Permalink

    And now I realised you had quoted my post haha. So I sound pretty stupid. Never mind.

  497. peanut
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 6.25pm | Permalink

    Math is an ultimate language, Fort.

  498. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 6.26pm | Permalink

    I dont think we did much geometry. I did lots of algebra, calculus and mechanics. We dont split things up by area much though so not really sure.

  499. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 6.27pm | Permalink

    45x^4?

  500. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 6.28pm | Permalink

    What type of stuff did you do in geometry peanut?

  501. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 6.29pm | Permalink

    Yes.

    So your function you multiplied out was

    f(x)= 9x^5+12x^4-3x-4

    The first term differentiated you just said was 45x^4.

    What is the second term differentiated?

  502. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 6.33pm | Permalink

    48x^3.

    I have no idea what all this means O_O

  503. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 6.35pm | Permalink

    I suggest reading the textbook then packs. But let us just work through this question to an answer as we have been on it for like an hour.

    Second term is right.

    Third term?

  504. peanut
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 6.41pm | Permalink

    All the basic stuff about solid figures and their calculations, right up to all the stuff about sine, cosine and tangent.
    Later on it was euclidean vector and more …

  505. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 6.45pm | Permalink

    Ah okay, I know the type of thing you mean.

  506. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 6.49pm | Permalink

    Oh peanut, I forgot to say, I looked at that gregory colbert stuff and it was incredible.

    My favourite are the series of photos with the whale.

    I have been looking into getting a print of it, but any UK website is charging a minimum of £100 unframed, and like double that price if you buy it framed.

    And his website charges in $ so not sure if they would send it here.

    Plus it’s still like $85 which with the current exchange rate is still like £50 and I imagine there would be a large shipping charge.

  507. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 6.52pm | Permalink

    I do like a lot of the links to photography or art that you post. I also loved that one of the women in the water holding flowers, for example.

  508. peanut
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 6.53pm | Permalink

    He’s the best paid photographer right now, Fort.
    Gets 100.000$ minimum for one picture.

  509. peanut
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 6.55pm | Permalink

    We’re having presentations at school about our fave photographers right now. I’ll keep you updated if I see anything worth mentioning ;)

  510. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 6.55pm | Permalink

    Which explains why his prints are also expensive.

    I just thought that the whale picture could be such a centre piece for a room.

  511. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 6.57pm | Permalink

    That’d be great peanut. :)

  512. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 6.57pm | Permalink

    I’ve lost packs when we were so close to an answer.

  513. missmaclay
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 6.59pm | Permalink

    She probably ate her textbook in annoyance.

  514. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 7.03pm | Permalink

    WordPress ATE my comment!

    I just lost internet a wee bit, Fort, I didn’t mean to leave you.

    So you want me to differentiate or whatever you call it 3x? But.. 3*1*x^(1-1) = 3x^0 ??????

    *GLARES at Stef*

  515. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 7.04pm | Permalink

    *shoves textbook down Stef’s gob*

    Eat it.

    EAT IT!!

  516. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 7.04pm | Permalink

    Anything to the power of 0 = 1

    1^0 = 1

    2^0 = 1

    7564628193^0=1

  517. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 7.05pm | Permalink

    Sorry, that is true except for 0^0

  518. missmaclay
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 7.06pm | Permalink

    oO Oi. I don’t enjoy it when things are shoved down my gob, ;). Be gentle. =P.

    I’m actually impressed you know what you’re talking about. And in another language, too.

  519. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 7.06pm | Permalink

    So it is now:
    =45x^4 + 48x^3 – 1 – 4
    =45x^4 + 48x^3 – 5 ???

  520. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 7.11pm | Permalink

    No. Wrong in two ways.

    The first:

    3x^0 does not equal one.
    It equals 3 multiplied by x^0
    where x^0 equals 1

    The second:

    Any term where there is no x, when differentiated, becomes 0.
    This is because (like above) it can be thought of as
    -4x^0
    When you differentiate, you multiply the expression by n.
    df/dx = anx^(n-1).
    In this case n=0 so when you differentiate any term without an x becomes zero.

    So what should the answer be?

  521. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 7.12pm | Permalink

    45x^4 + 12x^3 – 3 ?

  522. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 7.16pm | Permalink

    You wrote the middle term different to the one two posts above.

  523. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 7.18pm | Permalink

    Oh, I meant 45x^4 + 48x^3 – 3!

    Is it wrong?

  524. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 7.22pm | Permalink

    That is what I get.

    Right, I am going to head off now. Dinner then football.

  525. chelle5432
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 7.23pm | Permalink

    Yay! Woohoo *cheers for Packsy*

  526. chelle5432
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 7.24pm | Permalink

    Fort, you’re very good at that. Good luck tonight :)

  527. Posted 3 November 2009 at 7.30pm | Permalink

    are the math talk over now?

  528. chelle5432
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 7.31pm | Permalink

    *hugs Mini* I think so.

    Did supermini come to the rescue today?

  529. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 7.34pm | Permalink

    Thank you so much Fort, it really is very appreciated.

    *sigh*

    Now I guess I have to do the remaining 25 questions alone..

  530. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 7.35pm | Permalink

    One last comment before I go, packs, have a go at them all using the method we just discussed, and we can talk again another time.

  531. Posted 3 November 2009 at 7.38pm | Permalink

    *hugs Chelle*

    You Have no idea.. I mean people that have worked there for over 50 years( okay but 30 then) and still have no idea what the hell they are doing.. gives me nightmares..

    Now I guess I have to do the remaining 25 questions alone..

    *pats packsys back*
    You can do it girl!
    *brings hotchocolate and cookies*
    I can’t do math but I’m awesome at bakeing! =)

  532. chelle5432
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 7.42pm | Permalink

    They’d sure be lost without you Mini. You weren’t in for too long this evening though, right?

  533. tee452
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 7.44pm | Permalink

    Aww, all the math help was so nice.

    Was there ever a more productive PG?

  534. chelle5432
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 7.48pm | Permalink

    It was quite cool. I don’t think I’ve looked at any of that stuff since school and I realized I remembered nothing of it.

  535. chelle5432
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 7.50pm | Permalink

    Whoops, I meant nothing

  536. chelle5432
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 7.53pm | Permalink

    Okay off on a search for some food. Back in a bit.

  537. Posted 3 November 2009 at 7.54pm | Permalink

    yeah.. only 3.5 hours.. I will only work that tomorrow too..

  538. Coach
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 8.25pm | Permalink

    MINI *hugs*

  539. Chelle5432
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 8.26pm | Permalink

    Mini, you still there? How are you feeling today?

  540. Chelle5432
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 8.27pm | Permalink

    Heya Coach.

  541. Posted 3 November 2009 at 8.28pm | Permalink

    I’m here.. just everywhere else too.. :P

    I’m a bit better.. I might still have alittle fever now nad then.. head hurted earlier.. and still snotty.. but meh.. I’m pretty much okay..

    How are you guys?

  542. Coach
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 8.28pm | Permalink

    Oh Chelle just because you asked yesterday. It is now official that I work Monday-Friday 8-5.

  543. Coach
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 8.32pm | Permalink

    Hey Chelle *waves*
    Can you help me settle an argument?

  544. Chelle5432
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 8.34pm | Permalink

    Ooh Mini’s im demand ;) I hope you’ve been getting loads of rest!

    Is that a good thing Coach? Or not so good?

    I’m alright Mini, not the best day in work. Kids were great, other things not so much. But I’ll be okay, I’m already a wee bit better :)

  545. Posted 3 November 2009 at 8.35pm | Permalink

    OH NO COACH!

    dont bring Chelle into that.. not a good idea.. + it’s cheating!

  546. Chelle5432
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 8.35pm | Permalink

    I’ll try Coach. Go ahead.

  547. Coach
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 8.37pm | Permalink

    Mini doesn’t agree with me that she is smart.

    And my new shift is an okay thing. I’ll miss working sundays.

  548. chelle5432
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 8.37pm | Permalink

    Ooh, now I have to know!

  549. chelle5432
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 8.39pm | Permalink

    Are you kidding me?!?! YES YOU ARE MINI!!!

  550. Posted 3 November 2009 at 8.39pm | Permalink

    CHEATER!

    FY FAN Va Taskigt!

  551. Posted 3 November 2009 at 8.40pm | Permalink

    Not you too Chelle!

    Coach is a cheater! Coach is a cheater!

  552. Coach
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 8.40pm | Permalink

    *high 5’s Chelle* thank you!

  553. chelle5432
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 8.41pm | Permalink

    Mini you are really smart. Why on earth would you think not?!

  554. Posted 3 November 2009 at 8.45pm | Permalink

    haha Chelle..

    I know Im not totally Stupid.. don’t worry..

  555. Coach
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 8.48pm | Permalink

    You are not stupid at all and I forbid you to say or think that you are.

  556. Posted 3 November 2009 at 8.49pm | Permalink

    Fine, Fine, you win miss awesome..

    *grumbles*

  557. Coach
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 8.50pm | Permalink

    :) good.

  558. chelle5432
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 8.50pm | Permalink

    Yeah well Mini, you’re far from stupid. You’re a lot more clever than I am. You come on here and chat with us in a language that isn’t your own and you do it so well. Not to mention the times you’ve spoken other languages on here! I have studied Irish since I was about 5 and I still don’t bloody get it! Not to mention how much that school would fall apart without you. So no more of that silly talk, RIGHT!!

  559. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 8.53pm | Permalink

    *saunters in..*

    *whistles* Mini is stupid mini is stupid..

    *whistles out of PG*

    *leaves a wink*

  560. Posted 3 November 2009 at 8.59pm | Permalink

    Chelle.. I was just jokeing around with Coach..

    But thank you! I dont know what to say.. Thank you!

    I like language, I love learning new languages.. I just can’t go to school and do it couse all the grammar and stuff doesn’t work in my head..

    haha Packsy.. Du er en Morsom figur! *hugs*

    Okay now I have been told by 3 germans and soem french people and some canadians and god nows what That I should be in bed.. So I better go to sleep..

    Night night!

  561. chelle5432
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 9.01pm | Permalink

    Night night Mini *hugs*

  562. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 9.03pm | Permalink

    Mini:

    Couse = ’cause or because…or something completely weird if you want to write in Scotlish.

  563. tee452
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 9.05pm | Permalink

    You’re gonna get in soooo much trouble for that.

  564. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 9.06pm | Permalink

    You mean someone will pick incessantly on my spelling mistakes now?

    If I constantly write a word wrong, I’d rather someone told me.

    ..

    ..everyone but Suzie.

  565. tee452
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 9.08pm | Permalink

    -.- No, I’m not talking about spelling mistakes.

  566. missmaclay
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 9.33pm | Permalink

    Can I point out your spelling mistakes, Packsy? =P

  567. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 9.33pm | Permalink

    What then, Tee?

  568. tee452
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 9.47pm | Permalink

    *erases “Scotlish”*

    *writes “Scottish” instead*

    *smiles innocently*

  569. tee452
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 9.48pm | Permalink

    *erases Scotlish*

    *writes Scottish instead*

    *smiles innocently*

  570. tee452
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 9.51pm | Permalink

    WP ate my comment! Aaaaccck! Now, Dev is going to see!

    She said it! *points*

    *runs*

    *whispers “Scotlish” on the way out*

  571. tee452
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.16pm | Permalink

    Other uses for microwave:

    http://tinyurl.com/qs3j39

  572. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.24pm | Permalink

    Ofcourse you can, Stef!

    And Scotlish was because I wasn’t allowed to say ScottisH! *tsk*

  573. Coach
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.28pm | Permalink

    Look up Scotlish in the urban dictionary.

  574. tee452
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.33pm | Permalink

    Why aren’t you allowed to say it?

  575. missmaclay
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.41pm | Permalink

    You had a fit last time I did, Packsy, lol.

    Well ladies, I’m off. Goodnight!

  576. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.41pm | Permalink

    I’m sleepy.

  577. tee452
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 10.55pm | Permalink

    Night, MM.

    Understandable, Fort. ;)

  578. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.00pm | Permalink

    Fort!

    You are not allowed to sleep!

    *hands all of assignment over*

    Please?

    *blinks Dumbo eyes softly*

  579. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.00pm | Permalink

    Why tee?

  580. tee452
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.06pm | Permalink

    Hahaha, need you ask, Fort?

    I just noticed my baby niece’s head is perfectly round, like Charlie Brown’s head!

  581. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.08pm | Permalink

    How are you getting on with the 25 questions? Has the text book helped?

  582. tee452
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.15pm | Permalink

    I’m gone. Have a good night.

  583. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.16pm | Permalink

    It helped me solve equations with 3 unknowns…which wasn’t hard.

    Now I’m stuck looking for P(x)=x^3 – 2x^2 – 5x + 6. Find P(1). What the hells is P(1)?!?!?!?

    *grumps*

    Then to factorize the function.

  584. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.22pm | Permalink

    P(1) I think means evaluate the function if x=1. Basically work out the value of the function if x=1.

    And I am not 100% but I think factorise the equation means put it into two brackets. You have been expanding two brackets out, now it is asking you to work out the two brackets from the longer equation.

  585. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.23pm | Permalink

    Aaaaah. Then I might get it, Fort. Thank you.

    And yes, factorizing is that =)

  586. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.29pm | Permalink

    It’s a bit mean to give you a x^3 one.

    Harder than two bracket x^2 ones.

  587. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.31pm | Permalink

    Yeah, I have no idea how to do a x^3 one O_O

    Do I have to differentiate first or something? But then you have to do it to all?

    I have no idea what to do about it.

  588. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.38pm | Permalink

    Just looking at a method online.

  589. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.46pm | Permalink

    This is revision back to like GCSE or A-level.

    Trying to work out the middle stage.

  590. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.47pm | Permalink

    Do you know how to do polynomial long division? Because I am having to look that up because I dont remember, and I am guessing you dont know how to do it if you didnt know differentiation etc.

    I mean the method to answer these things must be in the text book you have.

  591. Fort
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.49pm | Permalink

    Haha, just like earlier, I do this long technically correct method and end up with the same answer I worked out in my head. Grr. At least it gives me a way of checking I am right by getting the same answer via both methods.

  592. peanut
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.50pm | Permalink

    *yawns*
    Igh -.-
    I can’t fall back asleep -.-

    And why are you two still doing math?!
    It’s almost 1am for you too, Packs!

  593. Packisbroke
    Posted 3 November 2009 at 11.56pm | Permalink

    It’s almost handin time for assignemn too, Peanut! Unless you wanna help me too!

    *squints*

    Paint me a picture instead, Peanut *blinks softly*

    I took a look at polynomial division but couldn’t fin the P(1), so I looked elsewhere after. *sigh*

    I just wish I had followed class now.

  594. peanut
    Posted 4 November 2009 at 12.01am | Permalink

    lol
    You don’t want me doing your math stuff, trust me.
    I could try and make a deal with your prof instead?

    I don’t have time to draw.
    I have so much stuff to do.
    But here, you get a picture of Billy:
    http://tinyurl.com/yh584xh

  595. Fort
    Posted 4 November 2009 at 12.04am | Permalink

    I took a look at polynomial division but couldn’t fin the P(1)

    What does that mean?

  596. peanut
    Posted 4 November 2009 at 12.06am | Permalink

    I’m gonna go and try to sleep again.
    You two should too.

    *hugs*

  597. Fort
    Posted 4 November 2009 at 12.08am | Permalink

    I just wrote out the stages to working it out, and copied it and then copied something else, so lost it.

    To factorise a cubic equation

    1) Work out the first root by trial and error. You go this by evaluating the function at a number of values, and if you find a value where the function equals zero, you have found a root.
    If P(1) = 0 then (x-1) is one of the brackets of the factorised equation.
    If P(-1) = 0 then (x + 1) is a root.
    [Notice the signs of the value and the root]

    2) By long division, divide out the root. I am assuming P(1) = 0 and it was the first step. So (x-1) is a root. Divide that out by long division and you willend up with (x-1)(another bracket with the terms you worked out from long division)

    3) Factorise the terms in the second bracket if you can.

  598. Fort
    Posted 4 November 2009 at 12.10am | Permalink

    Night peanut.

  599. Fort
    Posted 4 November 2009 at 12.25am | Permalink

    I cant explain algrebraic long division on here as you cant type out all the different lines and powers, but try a text book or online and it should help explain that stage.

  600. Packisbroke
    Posted 4 November 2009 at 12.30am | Permalink

    Yes, P(1)=0 from my calculations.

    I will try the long division tomorrow, I am too tired.

    But really Fort, thank you.

    You’d been a great help =)

  601. Fort
    Posted 4 November 2009 at 12.34am | Permalink

    Yes I can understand being tired. I am too.

    Long division is okay if you find the write explanation.

    You’re welcome.

  602. Fort
    Posted 4 November 2009 at 12.36am | Permalink

    *right

  603. Posted 4 November 2009 at 7.26am | Permalink

    THANK YOU PACKSY!

    for pointing out my mistake.. =)

    I just never got that one right..

    so it is because or short ’cause..

    anyway.. Morning!

  604. Clom
    Posted 4 November 2009 at 8.21am | Permalink

    New PG